We put these two top-notch walkie-talkies head-to-head through hands-on testing and real-world use to see which is the best and which one you should spend your hard-earned money on.

BC Link vs Rocky Talkie at a Glance

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Rocky Talkie

The Rocky Talkie is a small handheld radio perfect for outdoor adventures. It is compact, light, and easy to use (once you watch the video). The Mammut carabiner easily clips onto whatever you want it to and allows you to keep it within reach.

The leash is a nice touch for times (like riding a chairlift) when dropping it could lead to problems. I find the Rocky Talkie more versatile than the BC Link, and, spoiler alert: it is the walkie-talkie I usually reach for.

Pros

• Well-built and sturdy
• Small size
• Great audio quality
• Well-laid-out buttons
• Easy to find and use the push-to-talk button
• Leash

Cons

• Expensive
• I wish you could switch out the carabiner for a more traditional clip
• Not completely waterproof

Rocky Talkie

4.3

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Who Should Buy the Rocky Talkie

Best For

• Hard outdoor use
• People that like high-quality equipment
• When you need the radio fully secured to you

Not For

• Budget-conscious
• Need a fully waterproof radio (e.g. kayaking with kids)
• Ability to change settings with gloves on

Backcountry Access BC Link Radios

Backcountry Access (BCA) makes two models, the BC Link 1.0 and 2.0. I have extensive hands-on with the Link 1.0 and reviewed the differences between the two. I have not had any real-world experience with the 2.0, but I will highlight the differences, when necessary, in this head-to-head review.

BCA designed the BC Link for winter sports athletes that need a sturdy radio that can be used effectively with gloves on. That is where this walkie-talkie shines, but other users will also appreciate the Smart Mic’s convenience.

While some will enjoy the Smart Mic experience, others might find it heavy and overkill for more casual use.

Pros

• Well-built and sturdy
• Easy to use and change settings with gloves on
• Lapel mic has a ton of functionality
• Great audio quality

Cons

• Has to be used with the lapel mic
• Heavy
• Expensive
• Not waterproof
• Short battery life compared to other high-end radios

Backcountry Access BC Link 1.0

4.2

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Who Should Buy a BCA Radio

Best For

• People who need to manipulate radio settings but don’t want to take off their gloves
• Best used in conjunction with a backpack
• Need to access multiple channels easily

Not For

• People on a budget
• People looking for a fully waterproof walkie-talkie
• If you’re looking for a stand-alone radio without a lapel mic

Backcountry Access BC Link 2.0

4.3

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Head-to-Head Comparison

Now we will put the radios head-to-head to compare them in various aspects. I will tell you which walkie-talkie I think wins in each category.

Range

Winner: Tie between the BC Link 2.0 and the Rocky Talkie

Neither of these brands has a truly long-range radio, but for license-free FRS radios, the range is admirable.

The winner is a tie between the Rocky Talkie and the BC Link 2.0. The BC Link 1.0 loses points for only using half the watts. It should be noted, however, that half the watts do not halve the useful range. Indeed, in my field testing, I found very little actual difference between the BC Link 1.0 and the Rocky Talkie.

Clarity

Winner: 3-Way Tie

Both the Rocky Talkie and BC Link radios have best-in-class audio quality.

Ease of Use

Winner: BC Link Radios

The ease of use category includes several different aspects. It includes how easy it is to set up and use, button layout and usage, and finally, how useful the screen is.

This was close because both radios are incredibly easy to use, but the BC Link takes a slight lead for several reasons.

First, I could set up the BC Link without any instructions but I needed to watch a short YouTube video to set up the Rocky Talkie. After watching the video, I had no issues, but the win still goes to the BC Link.

Second, the function of all the buttons on the BC Link Radios is easy to figure out. On the Rocky Talkie, all buttons, except push to talk, have at least two functions. Once again, after watching a short video it all made sense.

Last, the display on the BC Link had all of the pertinent information I wanted, and I did not have to search for it. The display on the Rocky Talkie was missing essential information like how much battery life was left and what sub-channel I was on. I could find the information but had to search for it.

Battery Life

Winner: Rocky Talkie

The Rocky Talkie lasts longer and is faster to charge thanks to the USB-C charger. The battery is also removable so you can buy spares for long trips.

The BC Link 1.0 comes in second since it also has a removable battery so that you can carry spares if needed.

Clip

Winner: BC Link Radios

I really like the BC Link radio clip. It is the best-designed and sturdiest radio I have tested in the FRM category. It is strong and spring-loaded. In my testing, I found that the radio and lapel mic stayed where I put them.

The Rocky Talkie went in another direction with their radio clip. They attached a high-quality carabiner to the radio. It attaches securely to whatever you clip it to, but it does tend to swing during dynamic movements, and at times, I wished it had a clip like the BC Link.

Weight and Size

Winner: Rocky Talkie

I am an ultralight fanatic, so weight and size matter to me. I tend to weigh anything I must carry for any distance, and the Rocky Talkie is smaller and about half the weight, making it easy the winner in this category.

Extra Features

Winner: BC Link Radios

Neither of these companies put too many extras in to clutter up their walkie-talkies. They are what they are: well-built, rugged, and reliable. With that being said, the BC Link takes a slight edge here. I will put the Smart Mic in this category, and I think you will either love or hate it.

The BC Link also has weather channels to provide updated weather information when you are out of cell service.

The one notable extra that the Rocky Talkie has is the provided leash. I love the leash. It saved my radio several times from being lost in the snow. It can also be taken off if you don’t need it.

So Which Radio To Buy

It really comes down to the Smart Mic on the BC Link. If you need or want the functionality it gives you, you should buy it. Just know that it is a little much for casual uses like hiking with your kids.

The Rocky Talkie is more versatile. It still works great in snowy and cold environments but is just as easy to clip on for a casual hike without the fuss of a lapel mic.

The Rocky Talkie is also lighter and has better battery life. That is why, for me, the Rocky Talkie is the two-way radio that I prefer.

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Walkie Talkies are a great way to keep in touch with other members of your party in both urban and wilderness spaces. Radios can even be more convenient than a cell phone. But there are so many out there that choosing which walkie talkies to get can be tricky.

I have been using radios to communicate both professionally and on my own for more than 20 years. So I’m pretty picky about them at this point.

However, as you’ll see in this hands-on Motorola Talkabout T800 review, this model passes my sniff test.

T800 vs T801

I will get this out of the way right at the start. I used both radio models side by side and couldn’t find any differences besides the colors. The T800 is black and blue, while the T801 is black and green.

I have read online that the T801 comes with a carrying case, but mine did not, so I am a little sad about that.

The T800 is more widely available amongst many retailers, while the T801 seems to have limited availability only at select retailers like REI.

Given that the radios work identically and the T800 is more widely available, I will refer to the T800 in this review. However, this is with the understanding that the T801 is identical in function and therefore can be reviewed in the same way.

Motorola Talkabout T800 Series at a Glance

The Motorola Talkabout T800 series walkie-talkie has extra features not found on other radios, like making and receiving text messages while off-grid. Not everyone will use those features, but they don’t get in the way. It is not fully waterproof but did handle heavy snow without issue.

The only other downside that I found was a subpar clip.

Best For:

• Looking for a great radio but don’t want to pay a premium
• Want/Need to text off grid
• Casual users

Not For:

• Hard use (not the most durable radio out there)
• Someone looking for a waterproof radio
• You only buy the best/most expensive gear

Motorola Talkabout T800

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Are the Motorola Talkabout 801 and 800 Worth It?

The Motorola Talkabout 800 and 801 are great, mid-priced radios that worked well for me. While they held up to the abuse of multiple ski days while being clipped to the outside of my kid’s jackets, they are not the most bombproof radios out there.

I found the clip not to be as good as other radio clips. I was glad that I put leashes on the radios, or they would have fallen off the ski lift on more than one occasion, to never be seen again.

The inclusion of offline texting is a great addition, and while I did not use it myself, I can see it being useful while hunting when you want to communicate with your partner but don’t want to make any extra noise.

Should you buy the T800 or the T801?

Given that the T800 and T801 are essentially the same radio I would buy whichever radio you can find the best deal on.

Pros

• Lightweight
• Affordable
• Great extra features for the price

Cons

• Not the most durable
• Not waterproof
• Subpar clip

What is the Range of the Motorola Talkabout T800?

The Motorola Talkabout T800 uses the FCC maximum of 2 watts to push out radio transmissions. Under optimal conditions, this gets you about 30 miles of direct line of site communications. However, under most conditions, you will get significantly less.

Motorola Talkabout T800 Range in Real Life

During my testing for the Motorola T800 review, I was happy to get anywhere from .5 to 2 miles of range depending on terrain, with heavy trees and ridges decreasing the range.

I was able to hear and talk to my kids anywhere on the front side of my local ski hill. However, I would immediately lose connection if anyone went to the back side.

In town, which in my case is pretty flat and treeless, the range was closer to 3 to 4 miles. I could get ahold of my wife from anywhere inside my neighborhood without any problems.

Clarity

The T800 has average clarity. It was definitely easy to hear and understand, but it was not as clear as the BCA Link or the Rocky Talkie.

The Motorola Talkabout T800 Was Very Easy to Use

Let me clarify that statement just a bit. The base radio features were easy to use. I was able to program the radio and use the radio functions without using the owner’s manual or YouTube.

On the other hand, I had to dig into the provided owner’s manual a bit to use the extra features, and then I was good to go.

Buttons

There are many buttons on the front and side of the Motorola Talkabout T800. With a little bit of experimentation, I was able to figure out what most of them did. For the remainder, a quick look at the owner’s manual was all I needed.

I had no problems changing channels or functions in my testing for the Motorola Talkabout T800 review. There is also a lock function in case you need it.

There are actually two push-to-talk buttons. The first uses a total of 2 watts of power, while the second only uses .5 watts. This saves battery life but reduces range.

I actually found having 2 buttons cumbersome as I never knew which one I was pressing, especially while wearing gloves. If I really wanted to see it, I had to look each time.

Clip

This is the one feature of the radio that I was disappointed in. The clip is plastic and feels cheap. While I didn’t break the clip, I always felt like I was about to.

It also lacks a spring, so it just has to slide over the belt or strap. I prefer a spring, like the one found on the BC Link radio by BCA. In fact, I had the radio slip off several times and was happy to have the radio on a leash.

Display

The T800 has a nice and easy-to-read digital display that will turn off in about 10 seconds after use to save battery life. The display has all the relevant information I wanted to see at a glance.

It’s Not as Tough as I Wanted it to Be, and Please Don’t Throw it in a Lake

The Motorola T800 has a rating of IPX4. This means that it is tested to withstand water splashed on it and does not have a dust rating like other radios. This is a lower standard than more premium radios like the Rocky Talkie.

In real life, my kids wore this radio all winter on the outside of their jackets while skiing without any issues. The radio still works and looks brand new, but I wouldn’t have it out in anything more than a moderate rainstorm, and please don’t throw it in the lake.

How Long Does the Battery Last?

The Motorola T800 comes with a 3.6-volt NiMH battery. It is rechargeable using a Micro USB cable or an optional desk charger. Its stated battery life is 14 hours, and in my testing for the Motorola Talkabout T800 review, I was easily able to get two days of skiing with limited use. If you plan to be a heavy user, you should charge it after every use.

It takes several hours to fully charge, so plan ahead to have it ready to go. If you procrastinate like me, however, the T800 can also use three AA batteries.

The AA batteries also extend the battery life to 25 hours of standby time. I never used the radio like this, so I can’t speak to how well they work, but I appreciate the option.

Does it Have Good Extra Features or Just Gimmicks?

Motorola decided to double down on extra features with the Talkabout 800 series. I find some of them kind of gimmicky, but your mileage will vary, and something that I find gimmicky could be the exact function you are looking for.

Fortunately, the Talkabout T800 stands on its own as a great radio and the extra features don’t get in the way, so I guess we both win.

App

The free app allows for a multitude of different features. I downloaded the app, and it initially worked but when I tried to open it back up to write the Talkabout T800 review, I couldn’t get it to load. I didn’t spend much time on the app, so here is a list of its features.

• Offline maps, just remember to download them before leaving home
• Activity tracking
• Track other users
  • This is, unfortunately, not in real-time. Other users have to send you a notification so you can see where they are.
  • The FCC does not allow real-time tracking on FRS radios
• Offline text messaging
  • This is the most interesting “extra” to me and I can see it being useful during hunting or other activities when you want to communicate but don’t want to make a lot of noise.
  • Allows you to send text messages to an individual or group over the walkie-talkie frequency (without cellular service).
  • Just know that you get less range with texts than with the radio.
  • Using this feature isn’t very intuitive.

It is always a bit of a hassle to connect via Bluetooth and set the app all up, so my guess is that most people won’t take advantage of this feature.

Small Flashlight

There is a small flashlight on the top of the radio. It is not super bright but can be turned on when the radio is off. I like this feature and see how it could come in handy in many different situations.

iVox/Vox

Vox is a voice-activated system and while it’s easy to think of it as an open mic, that’s not exactly how it works. It opens the mic when it hears you start to talk instead of just being open like a phone. You can also adjust the volume or sensitivity so that only loud noises open the mic versus just a whisper.

My biggest problem was that the system would not activate until I was halfway through my first word so it always got cut off.

Weather Channels

The Motorola T800 has 11 weather channels, including 7 from NOAA. You can also set the radio up to receive weather alerts.

Distress signals

You can send distress signals to other radios in the area.

Leash Attachment

The Motorola T800 does not come with a leash, but there is a place to attach one. It is burly and big enough to attach a good size leash. This feature was useful for me, and I am glad it had the space.

Do You Need a License to Use the Motorola T800 Series?

No. The Motorola T800 series works off the FRS radio frequencies and they do not require a license in the United States.

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I know this because I have been using radios professionally for the past 20 years. First as a wilderness guide, then as a ski patroller, and now as a full-time paramedic for the past 17 years.

The Backcountry Access BC Link 1.0 (camo addition) is a mouthful but a great radio. It is a two-piece set with a main radio that can be kept in a pocket while the lapel mic is clipped to the front of your pack for easy access.

The magic, which differentiates this radio from others, is that the mic includes essential adjustments that you need while leaving the main radio protected in a pocket or pack.

The BC Link is expensive and not fully submersible, so if you are on a budget or go kayaking with kids, you should look elsewhere. If, however, you want a serious tool for your winter activities, this is a great choice.

BCA BC Link 1.0 at a Glance

Backcountry Access BC Link 1.0

4.2

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• MSRP: $159.95 for one radio
• License-free FRS frequencies
• 12 ounces
• Charge with a mini USB connection
• IP56 (splashproof and dust resistant but not fully waterproof or submersible)

Best For:

• Winter sport enthusiasts
• Using in conjunction with a backpack
• Need to access multiple channels easily
• Hunters

Not For:

• People on a budget
• People looking for a fully waterproof radio
• Those looking for a stand-alone radio without a lapel mic

Are BCA Radios Worth It?

I think that the answer to this question depends on what you plan on using it for.

If you are a casual user who just wants to check in occasionally with other users or doesn’t want the hassle of always using a lapel mic, then this radio is probably not for you. It’s also expensive and not waterproof, so keep that in mind.

If you’re looking for a robust radio for your winter adventures, particularly for activities like hunting where gloves are essential, this radio is the perfect fit. Additionally, if you appreciate the convenience of a lapel microphone, it further enhances the appeal of this radio. Moreover, individuals who require seamless access to multiple channels with just a simple dial click will also find it highly appealing.

Pros:

• Well-built and sturdy
• You can change the setting with gloves on
• Lapel mic has a ton of functionality
• Great audio quality

Cons:

• Has to be used with the lapel mic
• Heavy
• Expensive
• Not waterproof
• Short battery life compared to other high-end radios

The Smart Mic

A radio is only worth carrying if it is accessible. If it is stashed in your pack, you will never use it. BCA recognized this and set out to design a radio that is convenient to use. More specifically, they went for a radio that is easy to use in the winter with gloves on.

To keep the radio easily accessible, they have come up with an interesting concept. They call it the Smart Mic, which is basically a lapel mic with added functionality.

This functionality differentiates this radio from other radios in the same class. First, I will go over a quick list of functionalities the lapel mic has, then give some of my thoughts on it.

Functionality of the Smart Mic

• Turn the radio on and off
• Adjust volume
• 6 Preset channels that you can scroll through
• Push to talk

What I Liked About It

In my testing for the BC Link 1.0 review, I mostly used the radio at the ski resort to keep track of my kids while skiing. I was able to stash the radio in a pocket or my pack to keep it protected from the elements and then just use the Smart Mic.

The functionality of the Smart Mic is definitely handy when in cold environments, and you don’t want to take off your gloves to dig a radio out of your pocket. It was most handy when I had a pack to put it in.

I also like having 6 preset channels that you can flip through. I think this could come in handy if you ever need to talk to multiple groups on different channels or if the channel you are on becomes busy. When this happens, you just move to the next one.

What I Didn’t Like About It

My biggest complaint is that you have to use the Smart Mic no matter what. The radio doesn’t work without it. On several occasions, the mic disconnected from the radio in my pocket, and then I couldn’t hear or send any radio traffic. There is no way to know it is disconnected; the radio just stops working. This happened enough to be a problem.

I am probably a little biased here because I have never liked lapel mics, but I feel like the radio would be more versatile if you could use the two separately.

Lastly, this setup is heavier than other setups in its class.

What is the Range on the BCA BC Link 1.0 Radio?

Range Score: 4.5/5

FCC regulations allow FRS radios to power the transmissions up to 2 watts. The BC Link 1.0 uses 1 watt instead, probably to save on battery life. However, that doesn’t mean that you lose half of the range.

Indeed, in my testing, I saw little difference in range and probably wouldn’t have noticed if I didn’t read the information page on BCA’s webpage.

Range

While testing the BC Link 1.0 at my local ski hill, I got a good signal all across the front side but would lose the signal as soon as one of us would go around to the backside. I wouldn’t count on getting more than 1.5 miles, with heavy tree cover and small hills cutting it back to half a mile.

In town, which in my case is flat and fairly treeless, I was able to talk to my wife anywhere in our subdivision. I was, however, unable to get her to the soccer field 3 miles away.

Clarity

In my testing for the BC link 1.0 review, I found the sound quality excellent. I didn’t have any problems hearing or understanding any transmission.

The BCA BC Link 1.0 was Easy to Use

Easy of Use Score: 4.5/5

The radios I got for testing did not come with a user manual, but I could still easily program the radio without it.

Buttons

The buttons are all easy to locate and well-marked. My only problem with the buttons is that my daughter accidentally hit them once while the radio was in her pocket, and it inadvertently turned on the NOAA weather forecast.

I did notice, after the fact, that there is a way to lock the buttons on the front so I guess that one is on me.

The push-to-talk button was hard for me to locate and I had to look down every time. Not sure what the problem was, but it was annoying. On the other hand, I never accidentally hit the button or had an open mic.

Clips

The clip holding the radio was by far one of my favorites out of all the radios I tested. There was a removable clip on the radio and one on the mic. The mic clip also rotated, making it easy to orient the radio how you want.

Both clips were well-made, durable, and had strong springs. I wish other radio manufacturers, like Motorola, would put quality clips on their radios like BCA did.

Display

The display is bright and easy to read. It also has all the pertinent information I want to see on the screen.

How Tough is the BC Link 1.0 Radio and Can I Throw it in a Lake?

Durability/Water Resistant Score: 4/5

Like the Rocky Talkie radio, the BC Link 1.0 Radio has a rating of IP56. This means it is water and snow resistant but not thoroughly waterproof. It is also rated to be dust resistant.

Related: Rocky Talkie vs BCA BC Link Radios

In real-world testing for this review, I spent several days skiing in heavy snow. The radio was inside my jacket pocket with only the lapel mic out. Snow got shoved down into the mic several times without any issues.

Durability takes a small hit here because of the extra connection between the radio and the Smart Mic. I didn’t have any issues in my testing, but I feel like it could be a weak spot.

How Long Does the Battery Last?

Battey Life Score: 3.5/5

In my real-life testing, I was able to get two full days of skiing in with my kids with mild use of the radio. You will probably want to charge it every night if you are a heavy user or use it in sub-zero conditions.

It gets about 40 hours in standby mode.

How do I Charge my BCA BC Link 1.0?

The BC Link 1.0 has a 3.7 VDC lithium-ion battery. It is rechargeable with a mini-USB charging port. Mini USB is getting a little old and unlike USB-C cables, I just don’t have spare charging cords.

Charging took about 4 hours, which seems forever if you need the radio. It is best to plan and charge these radios the night before you need to use them.

The BC Link 1.0 also has removable batteries, so you can buy spares if you need or want them. I would suggest buying some if you plan to use this radio a lot or over several days when you can’t return to a charger.

Does it Have Good Extra Features or Just Gimmicks?

Extra Features Score: 3/5

Besides the Smart Mic and the extra functionality that we have already talked about, there are very few things that I would consider to be extra features, but I will mention those here.

Weather Channels

The BC Link comes with 10 standard NOAA weather channels. These are nice for getting weather updates when you can’t get them over the phone.

Low Watt Channels

Channels 8-14 cut the wattage in half from 1 to .5 watts. This saves on battery life but cuts down on the range.

Camouflage?

I’m not sure that camouflage is really an extra feature, but the BC Link 1.0 comes in either a muted black or green and black camouflage.

Adjustable Beeps

After each transmission, a beep lets you know that the transmission has ended. The volume of this beep can be changed, or you can get rid of it altogether. This is great for hunters who need to make the least amount of noise possible.

BCA BC Link 2.0 vs. 1.0

Backcountry Access has slightly updated the BC Link, and there is now a 2.0 version. This is not a full review of the new version but I thought I would highlight some key differences.

Backcountry Access has also updated the button layout and changed how the Smart Link is attached to the radio body. For the most part, just looking at the specs, this is a modest update—more of a Link 1.5 than 2.0.

Backcountry Access BC Link 2.0

4.3

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In full disclosure, I did not get the chance to test or use the Link 2.0. However, for the price difference, I would buy the new model. It has slightly more range and charges faster. More recent models also tend to get more support from the manufacturer.

But it gets more interesting since the Link 1.0 is on sale for $119.96. At this price point, I don’t think the newer model adds enough to overcome a $70 difference.

Plus, if you need a camo unit, there is only one way to go!

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There is a dizzying array of amazing packs on the market today, and I wanted to try them all. Unfortunately, I did not personally have the time to test every pack out there so I decided to narrow it down to five.

It was a daunting task, so to help narrow it down, I made a list of things I was looking for.

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Specifications Used to Pick the Packs on This List

1. Pack weight between 1.5 to 2.5 pounds

For me, this is the perfect weight for a pack. While there are lighter packs on the market, the packs in this weight range tend to hold up better and have the right mix of features.

2. Size between 40 to 50 liters of capacity

All of the packs on this list come in bigger capacities, but 40 to 50 liters for me is the sweet spot. If my pack is too big, I just fill it with stuff I don’t need. I’ve also used smaller packs and they are perfect for overnight trips but don’t carry all the food I need as I push past 2 or 3 days.

3. Well-established manufacturers

There are a lot of great packs made by cottage industry brands out there, but I wanted packs that I could order with no wait time. I’m not that patient of a person.

4. Weight capacity between 20 to 30 pounds

We are living in the golden age of ultralight gear and anyone should, with a bit of thought and experience, be able to keep their pack below 30 pounds and still be able to carry the necessities.

I prefer to backpack for 2-5 days, averaging 20-30 miles per day, with a pack weighing around 25 pounds. The packs on this list are perfect for the type of backpacking I do.

Recommendations at a Glance

Every pack on this list is great. They are well made, and I think that you would be happy with just about any pack here. However, each pack shines in a slightly different way. I will talk about each of these packs in a little more detail below, but here are my general recommendations at a glance.

1. Most durable and my top pick: Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400
2. Most comfortable and runner up: Gregory Focal 48 (Facet 45 for women)
3. Best gateway into ultralight: Gossamer Gear Gorilla 50
4. Lightest weight full-featured pack: Osprey Levity 45 (Lumina for women)
5. Most versatile and least expensive: Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor 40-60

Best Ultralight Packs of 2023: Outdoor Empire Reviews

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At Outdoor Empire, we look at five criteria when comparing backpacks: construction, weight distribution, comfort, versatility, and value.

Each product gets a score between 1 and 5 for each category. The average of these category scores is the Outdoor Empire Score. This way of ranking helps us be as objective as possible.

1. Best Overall Ultralight Backpack

Our Pick

Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400

Outdoor Empire Score: 4.3

Retail Price: $349

Weight: 1.94 lbs

Max Carry Capacity: 30 lbs

Volume: 49.8 liters

Pros:

• Tough, water resistant, lightweight

Cons:

• Expensive, takes some skill to use

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The Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400 is one tough pack. It’s made from Dyneema Composite Fabric (DCF) which has an amazing strength-to-weight ratio. It is very abrasion resistant, water resistant, and light. This just might be the perfect pack material. Then why doesn’t everyone use it? Because it’s also expensive. The Junction 2400 comes in about $100 more than the other packs on this list.

Hyperlite has made good use of the DCF, making it a lightweight and efficient pack. They have stripped off most of the bells and whistles to make this a streamlined pack designed to hike mile after mile on trail and off. Some might think that some of the things left on the cutting room floor were essential, like a fully formed frame and a top pocket.

The pack is comfortable but not the most comfortable on this list. The back panel offers no ventilation so be prepared for a sweaty shirt even after a mild effort on the trail. The pack does require a lot of care in how you pack it. However, I had no problem wearing the pack all day long once dialed.

The Junction 2400 is for the experienced backpacker looking to jump head first into ultralight backpacking. It is tough, lightweight, and streamlined, but if you have the necessary skills to use it properly, it will last a lifetime and allow you to carry a light load anywhere your feet and imagination are willing to take you.

2. The Most Comfortable

Runner-up

Gregory Focal 48

Outdoor Empire Score: 4.2

Retail Price: $229.95

Weight: 2.54 lbs

Max Carry Weight: 30 lbs

Volume: 48 liters (58L size also available)

Pros:

• Comfortable, top pocket, full frame, trampoline style back panel, the most useful side pockets I have ever used

Cons:

• Relatively heavy for an ultralight pack

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The Gregory Focal 48 (Facet 45 for women) is a well-made pack by a well-known pack manufacturer. The pack has the look and feel of a traditional pack and includes most of the features that Gregory has on their more substantial packs, including a top pocket, load lifter straps, and a lightweight aluminum frame. Including these features comes at a cost as this is one of the heaviest packs on our list.

However, I find it to be the most comfortable. The trampoline-style back panel keeps sharp objects in the pack from digging into your back and provides an amazing amount of ventilation. This pack was more like putting on a piece of clothing than a pack.

The Focal 48 also had the most convenient side pockets of any pack in this review. If you carry your water bottle in the side pocket, as I do, you will love them. I was easily able to get the water bottle in and out without having to dislocate my shoulder.

If you want a comfortable, lightweight pack that looks and functions more like a traditional pack, then the Gregory Focal 48 is for you. If you want the lightest pack out there, read on.

3. Best Gateway into Ultralight Backpacking

Also Great

Gossamer Gear Gorilla 50

Outdoor Empire Score: 4.1

Retail Price: $255

Weight: 1.90 lbs (down to just over 1 lb)

Max Carry Weight: 30 lbs

Volume: 50 liters

Pros:

• Weight can be reduced by removing features that you don’t want, comfortable, well thought out design

Cons:

• Very little back ventilation, fold over style top, sweaty back panel

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The Gossamer Gear Gorilla 50 is the gateway pack into the world of ultralight backpacking. It was designed by a company that has been perfecting ultralight gear for decades. It starts light and then allows you, as you get more experienced, to shed extra weight by removing different pieces of the pack.

Have you learned to pack the bag so it is structurally sound and comfortable? Then remove the padding from the back panel and the frame; you just saved yourself six ounces. Got your base weight under 7 pounds and overall weight under 20 pounds? Congratulations, take off the hip belt. That’s another seven and a half ounces that you won’t need where you are going.

The Gorilla is also comfortable to wear. However, there is very little back ventilation, so be prepared for a sweaty back. This pack has the perfect balance of features like hip pockets, side pockets, and a lightweight aluminum frame.

Gossamer Gear has created a great pack that is perfect for people new to ultralight backpacking but are also willing and excited to go down the rabbit hole of seeing just how light you can go. Just don’t be surprised to find yourself contemplating if you really need the handle of your toothbrush.

4. Lightest Weight Full Featured Pack

Osprey Levity 45

Outdoor Empire Score: 3.9

Retail Price: $250

Weight: 1.85 lbs

Max Carry weight: 25 lbs

Volume: 45 liters (60L size also available)

Pros:

• The lightest full-featured pack on this list, comfortable, lots of back ventilation

Cons:

• Significant pack sway, not the most durable pack

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The Osprey Levity 45 is like a prizefighter trying to take off as much weight as possible before the big fight. While leaving most of the features you would find on a heftier pack, Osprey has whittled the weight to almost nothing. It is amazing how light this pack is, and it still comes with a top pocket, a full aluminum frame, and load-lifting straps.

Like all things in life, light material does come at a cost. The cost for this pack is durability. While I had no problems with this pack during testing, it is far from bomb-proof and feels fragile.

The Levity 45 uses a trampoline-style back panel similar to the Gregory Focal, and I find it almost as comfortable. There is a ridiculous amount of ventilation to your back on this pack. After a long day on the trail, my friend noted that his back was completely dry using this pack while mine was covered in sweat using the Gossamer Gear Gorilla.

The amount of space between the back panel and the back of the pack did cause me some problems. I felt like there was more pack sway than any other pack on this list.

The Osprey Lumina 45 is the same as the Levity, but built to better fit women.

This pack is once again for experienced hikers looking for the lightest weight pack that still comes with the look and feel of a traditional pack.

Unfortunately Osprey has recently discontinued this pack, though you can still find it at some retailers. We’ll have to see if they bring it back or replace it with something new. In the meantime, consider the Osprey Exos 48 (Eja 48 for women).

Osprey Exos 48

Pros:

• Feature-rich, durable, comfortable

Cons:

• Not as lightweight as Levity

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The Exos is about a pound heavier than the Levity, but it is much more durable and has even more useful features. One avid backpacking gear reviewer here at Outdoor Empire, Jon, has had the Exos for over three years and swears by it.

5. The Best Pack If You Only Want One

Budget Pick

Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor 40L-60L

Outdoor Empire Score: 3.6

Retail Price: $189.95

Weight: 3.1 lbs

Max Carry weight: 40 lbs

Volume: 40-60 liters

Pros:

• Expandable capacity, decent back ventilation, water bottle pockets on shoulder straps

Cons:

• Limited sizes, no catch-all pocket, compression straps require some fiddling, heavy

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The Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor is designed to expand from 40 to 60 liters using six vertical compression straps and it works pretty well. This gives the pack a wide range of uses from overnight trips to long-distance hauls.

I like the concept of this pack and I can see the appeal. It is basically two packs in one. My biggest problem with it was that it didn’t fit me. All the other packs on this list come in at least three sizes—small, medium, and large. The Flex Capacitor, however, only comes in small/medium and medium/large. At 5’9” and 175ish pounds, I fit squarely between the two sizes, making it uncomfortable.

My size medium/large is actually the 2022 model and it weighs in at 2.6 pounds. The latest 2023 Flex Capacitor model in size medium/large runs 3.1 pounds! It is now unquestionably the heaviest pack on our list.

The added weight comes primarily from a change in the primary material from 100D Nylon-Poly Ripstop to 100D Nylon Honeycomb fabric. The latest model also has a whole lot less 420D Nylon Oxford fabric (more lightweight and durable than the 100D) than mine does in key high-abrasion areas. But even after reducing the number of compression sacks from six to four in the 2023 model, it’s still a half pound heavier.

These changes pretty much take it out of the typical ultralight category, however, it’s still a lightweight and versatile pack. And a welcome benefit of the material and weight changes is that the MSRP price has dropped by $30. This makes the Flex Capacitor the cheapest option on our list at almost half the price of the Hyperlite Junction.

Sierra Designs was able to pack a ton of features into the pack. There is a lightweight aluminum frame and a back panel that gives a reasonable amount of protection and ventilation. There are also side pockets and pockets on the hip belt.

My favorite feature has to be the water bottle holders on the shoulder straps. This allowed me to carry water where it was easily accessible without having to be a contortionist.

Missing, however, is a pocket on the back of the pack that all the other packs have. This makes organizing gear more difficult.

This is the pack for the person that wants one pack to do it all. On one weekend, you are doing a light and fast trip. Then the next, you are taking Boy Scouts out and want a little extra room to carry some emergency items because someone always forgets their TP or stove.

6 Things to Know Before Buying an Ultralight Backpack

When I was young, my dad decided it would be a good idea to backpack into Independence Lakes. They are a small chain of lakes in South Central Idaho and require about a 4-mile hike one way. We had day hiked into the lakes in the past but it was time to up our game.

My dad, it should be noted, was not a backpacker, so he packed all of our stuff into a large wooden military crate. Imagine the crate in which the Ark of the Covenant was left at the end of Indiana Jones, and you get the idea. It had to be carried by at least two people and the plan, I think, was to rotate who carried it every mile or so, with my dad managing the work and us kids the grunt labor.

We arrived at the trailhead in the dark and made it a total of 100 yards up the trail before the labor pool went on strike.

We called it quits and made camp for the night on the side of the trail.

This was my introduction to backpacking and I have spent the last 30 years refining my equipment and technique.

Below are six things that I have learned over the past 30 years that will help you begin your journey into ultralight backpacking.

1. Ultralight Backpacking is not for everyone

Before deciding to buy an ultralight backpack, it is essential to determine what kind of backpacking you want to do.

If your idea of fun is to pack 5 miles into a lake and camp for several days while fishing and writing in a journal, then you should look elsewhere. Buy a big pack and take all the creature comforts you can carry. There is something to be said about heavy backpacking, and it definitely has its place.

On the other hand, if your idea of fun is 20-plus mile days for weeks on end, then an ultralight pack is probably for you. Generally, the more hours per day you plan on being on your feet with a pack on, the lighter the pack should be. Think of your low pack weight as the most precious luxury you own.

2. Everything else needs to be ultralight as well

This tip goes along with tip number one. Ultralight packs are not meant to carry heavy loads. This means that all of your other gear needs to be ultralight as well. No reason to buy a pack that is 2 pounds and then load it up with a six-pound tent, a three-pound sleeping bag, and other heavy gear. An ultralight pack is a great place to start, but you must lighten your entire kit to be truly happy.

3. Don’t stuff too much into the pack

It is important not to overstuff your ultralight pack. Less stuff equals less weight and one of the reasons that I like small packs is that they help me make better decisions about what to bring.

Also, ultralight backpacks tend to be less durable and if you stuff too much crap inside you might bust out a seem.

Finally, ultralight backpacks usually lack a sophisticated back panel and frame. If you overpack the bag, it tends to round out the back of the pack, making it uncomfortable to carry.

4. You have to pack it just so

On more substantial packs, the pack’s structure is found mainly in the back panel and frame. You can pack the pack haphazardly without compromising how it carries too much. On ultralight packs, the structure comes from how you arrange the items in the pack itself. This requires a fair amount of skill and some experimentation, but it can be very effective when done right.

5. They are not bomb proof

One of the ways that manufacturers make packs lighter is they make them smaller and wait for it… they use lighter-weight materials. They also use less of it. The feather-light pack you have grown to love needs to be treated with kid gloves.

Well, maybe not kid gloves but the pack needs to be treated with respect. With care, even the lightest packs can be used for years.

6. They have fewer features 

Another way that manufacturers save weight is by shaving features off of the pack. These include top pouches, robust suspension systems, sophisticated frames, and multiple ways to access gear in the pack itself. These things are easy to overcome with practice and developing skills.

BONUS: Don’t be stupid about cutting too much weight

It is easy to get caught up in the weight loss game, but it can be dangerous even in backpacking. So don’t be stupid about it. Pack the things you need for the trip and be prepared in case something goes wrong. A little bit of gear can go a long way in an emergency.

The other thing that some people do to lighten their load is to remove things that are not used. Trimming excess webbing and cutting off buckles you never use can add up. Just don’t compromise the utility of the item in an effort to lose weight.

Have you ever tried to brush your teeth with a toothbrush without a handle? I have, and let me tell you, the 0.5 ounces I saved were not worth the trouble.

How to Choose the Best Ultralight Pack

Different people have different criteria that they use to choose an ultralight pack. Most of the differences come from how they are going to use it. If you plan on hiking a long trail that will last for several months, you might choose a different pack than a weekend warrior trying to get the most out of a three-day holiday.

We based our assessment of what we consider the best ultralight backpacks on the following criteria.

Construction

The construction on all five packs on this list is top notch and you can tell that they come from manufacturers that care about their products.

Even though they are all great, they are also different. Hyperlite decided to go with a more exotic material that is lightweight, durable, and water resistant but expensive. The Osprey Levity 45, on the other hand, is made out of the lightest material they could find, leaving it a little bit less durable. The other three sit in the middle.

• Toughest pack: Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400

Suspension and Weight Distribution

The suspension system and frame in a pack help give the pack structure and distributes the weight between the shoulders and the waist.

The lighter your pack is, the less reliant you need to be on the pack’s internal frame and suspension system. A pack weighing 30-40 pounds must be distributed between the shoulders and the waist. A pack that weighs 20 pounds can be carried more on the shoulders and still be comfortable.

The Hyperlite Junction 2400 only has two aluminum stays as a frame, and they can be removed if wanted. The Gossamer Gear frame is a little more robust but can also be removed to save weight. Both require skill in packing to build structure into the pack, but when dialed, they distribute weight just fine.

The Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor, Osprey Levity 45, and the Gregory Focal 48 are a little more traditional. All three have a lightweight internal frame and load lifter straps. These straps pull the pack closer to your center of gravity and make it feel lighter.

• Best weight distribution:Gregory Focal 48

Comfort

Comfort is subjective to each individual and I always suggest trying on as many packs as possible before buying one. It is also best to load it up with the same gear that you would carry on a regular trip. A pack carries differently with a 20-pound sandbag than with 20 pounds of actual gear.

One of the key differences between the packs on this list is the back panel. The Osprey and the Gregory both have trampoline-style back panels. This allows air to flow between your back and the pack. This ventilation allows your back to stay cooler and dryer throughout the day. The separation also means that hard items in your pack are not pressed right against your back, causing discomfort.

The downside to this back panel style is that it pushes the pack’s center of gravity away from your back and causes the pack to feel like it is pulling you backward.

Both the Hyperlite Mountain Gear and the Gossamer Gear packs have minimal material on the back panel and lie directly against your back. There is no ventilation and anything hard can press right into your back, but it keeps the center of gravity closer to your back, making the pack feel lighter.

The Sierra Design pack has a back panel that is somewhere in between.

• Most comfortable: Gregory Focal 48
• Least sweaty back: Gregory Focal 48 and Osprey Levity 45
• Least amount of pack sway: Hyperlite Junction 2400 and Gossamer Gear 50

Versatility and Accessories 

The packs on this list were not designed to be Swiss Army Knives of backpacking. They were designed to carry a light load all day in comfort. That, in general does not make them very versatile.

That being said, the two standouts for me on this list are the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor and the Hyperlite Junction.

The Flex Capacitor is versatile due to its range of capacity. It can be condensed down to 40 liters or balloon up to 60 liters. This is like having two packs in one. It can be used for everything from a quick overnight trip to long hauls where extra gear is needed.

On the other hand, I found myself using the Hyperlite Junction for multiple different tasks. Not only did I take it backpacking, but I also loaded it up with quilts and my camera to take to my kid’s soccer games. I even hiked to the construction site next to my house to load it up with rocks to fill in holes my dog dug in my backyard. I just found myself grabbing the pack for all sorts of non-backpacking activities.

One of the ways that manufacturers reduce weight on packs is by getting rid of pockets and clips. If you want to add back some of these things, don’t worry. Hyperlite Mountain Gear and Gossamer Gear make all kinds of accessories you can clip onto your pack. Just don’t go wild because they were originally removed to save weight.

• Best pack if you want two packs in one: Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor
• The pack that I ended up using the most for non-backpack related activities: Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400
• Most accessories: Hyperlite Mountain Gear and Gossamer Gear

Value

In order to try and find a way to compare the value of these packs as objectively as possible, I divided the price by the volume to show how much the pack cost per liter of capacity.

Value, however, is not that simple of an equation and is subjective in nature. Value can be broken down into several different pieces, including how much you enjoy the pack, how long it lasts, and whether it does the job that you bought it for.

The other thing to consider is how often a pack goes on sale. The packs from the more mainstream manufacturers like Osprey, Gregory, and Sierra Designs go on sale more often than the packs from Gossamer Gear and Hyperlite Mountain Gear. I love shopping deals, and finding something on sale adds value to me.

Final Thoughts

There you have it—the Outdoor Empire roundup of the best ultralight packs on the market.

Remember that the best pack in the world has no value sitting in a closet. So use this buyer’s guide to find the best ultralight backpack for you, then get out there and use it!

All packs were mediums except for the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor, which was medium/large.

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I can attest to this, having used radios professionally for the past 20 years in various capacities, including as a wilderness guide, ski patroller, and full-time paramedic for the past 17 years.

The Rocky Talkie is a small, handheld radio perfect for outdoor adventures. It is compact, light, and easy to use (once you watch the video). The Mammut carabiner easily clips onto whatever you want, allowing you to keep it within reach. The leash is a nice touch for times (like riding a chairlift) when dropping it could lead to problems.

If you are looking for a budget radio or something completely waterproof, then there are other options. But if you want a high-quality radio that is simple and rugged, then the Rocky Talkie should be at the top of your list.

Rocky Talkie at a Glance

Rocky Talkie

4.3

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• $110.00 for one radio
• License-free FRS frequencies
• 7.9 ounces for full system
• IP56 (splashproof and dust resistant but not fully waterproof or submersible)
• Recharges with USB-C cable

Best For:

• Hard outdoor use
• People that like high-quality equipment
• When you need the radio fully secured to you

Not For:

• Budget-conscious adventurers
• When you need a fully waterproof radio (kayaking with kids)

Is the Rocky Talkie Worth it?

This past fall, I was looking for a lightweight radio to help me keep track of my kids while skiing. In the past, I have tried cheap walkie-talkies and have come away unimpressed. So this time, I decided to spend a good chunk of money to buy a quality one.

After a significant amount of research, I bought the Rocky Talkie. This was long before my editor showed up with a box full of radios to test, but even after spending a month testing a bunch of different walkie-talkies, I am still happy with my choice and would definitely buy more of them in the future.

Pros

• Well-built and sturdy
• Small size
• Great audio quality
• Well-laid-out buttons
• Easy to find and use the “push to talk” button
• Leash

Cons

• Expensive
• I wish you could switch out the carabiner for a more traditional clip
• Not completely waterproof

What is the Range on Rocky Talkies?

Range Score: 5/5

Under optimal conditions and direct line of sight, the Rocky Talkies range is said to be about 30 miles. Does this mean that you will be able to talk with someone consistently at that 30-mile range? Well, no.

Rocky Talkie Range in Real Life

In my testing for my Rocky Talkie review, I found that the useful range was more like .5 to 2 miles. I wouldn’t plan on using it at any distance longer than that. Heavy tree cover and other obstacles like ridges reduced the range significantly.

I was pleased to be able to contact my kids anywhere on the front side of the mountain, but as soon as they or I went around the shoulder of the mountain to the backside, the radios would cut out.

In town, which in my case is pretty flat and treeless, the range was closer to 3 to 4 miles. I was able to get a hold of my wife from anywhere inside my neighborhood without any problems at all.

Clarity

The Rocky Talkie was one of the clearest radios I tested this winter. They have a great mic and speaker built into them. There was very little static, and the voice quality was excellent after I finally got my son to stop talking into the mic like he was eating it.

The Rocky Talkie is Very Easy to Use

Ease of use Score: 4/5

This radio was very easy to use…once I watched the 5-minute video. I might be a bit old school but I miss having a paper user’s manual included with products.

The first time I used it, I just threw it in my pack and headed up the mountain for a day of skiing. Unfortunately, I did not preprogram it before I left and had this ridiculous idea that I could figure it out on the go. I didn’t realize that most buttons have dual purposes, and I was a little confused about what each button did.

When I got home, I watched the video, had my “aha” moment, and never looked back. I can now easily program the radio to talk to any other FRS radios I have. The Rocky Talkie radios are fairly simple devices without many extras, so once you figure it out, they are indeed easy to use. Just watch the video before heading out.

Buttons

There are four buttons and a toggle switch on the radio. None of the buttons are on the face of the radio, which is nice. I never accidentally changed any settings even though I clipped the radio to the outside of my jacket all day. On the other hand, it only took my daughter an hour to accidentally change the setting on the Backcountry Access Link she was carrying, even with it in her pocket.

I won’t go into what all of the buttons do, there is a video for that, but they are well laid out. I could find the push-to-talk button without looking and activate it easily with my ski gloves on. The push-to-talk button is slightly recessed, and I never had any problems accidentally keying my mic.

Clip

The clip used to attach the radio to yourself or your pack is a little nontraditional. Instead of using a spring-loaded clip, Rocky Talkie went with a high-quality carabiner made by the climbing company Mammut. They definitely did not skimp on quality here.

The carabiner was easy to clip onto anything. Most of the time I just clipped it onto the collar of my jacket and it stayed put. When I was wearing a pack, it clipped easily on there.

My only problem was that the radio would swing during any dynamic movement. In the end, I wish that you could go back and forth between the carabiner and a more traditional clip that would hold it more snuggly against your body or pack.

Display

There is a digital display on the front face of the radio. The minimalistic display turns off when the radio has been inactive for around 10 seconds. The display was bright enough to see even in direct sun.

I would have liked to see a couple of missing pieces of information on this screen. The first thing that is missing, and to me, the most critical, is the sub-channel or privacy channel that you are on.

The second piece of missing information is the amount of battery life left. It is possible to see how much there is by short pushing the on/off switch, but it would be nice to have that on the main screen for quick reference.

How Tough is the Rocky Talkie Radio and Can I Throw it in a Lake?

Durability/Water Resistant Score: 4.5/5

The Rocky Talkie radio has a rating of IP56. This means it is water and snow-resistant but not thoroughly waterproof. It is also rated to be dust resistant.

In real-world testing for my Rocky Talkie review, I spent many days with the radio attached to the outside of my jacket in snow storms without any problems. I *might* have even fallen several times right onto the radio without issue.

I also didn’t have any problems with durability during my testing. The thing just feels sturdy without being heavy. It has a hard inner plastic body covered by a slightly softer removable shell.

The real test is that I let my kids play with the radio and ski with it over multiple days and they did not break it or damage it in any way. After a full winter of use, it still looks brand new.

How Long Does the Battery Last

Battery Life Score: 5/5

Rocky Talkie put a 1550 mAh rechargeable battery in their radio with a stated battery life of 130 hours in standby mode. I appreciate the rechargeable battery via USB-C cable since I already have many of those sitting around my house. No need to keep track of a specific cable.

In my Rocky Talkie review, I found that the battery would last 4-5 days of skiing with moderate use.

The battery is also removable, and you can buy spares from Rocky Talkie online. The website makes it seem like this is pretty easy, but I lost one of my fingernails while getting the case off. It is doable, but I don’t plan to do it again unless I need to.

Does it Have Good Extra Features or Just Gimmicks?

Extra Features Score: 3/5

The Rocky Talkie is pretty short on extra features. Its selling point is being a high-quality walkie-talkie, not gimmicks. That being said, there are several simple features that I really liked.

Leash

The radio comes with a high-quality leash that clips on the outer case then you can clip the other end anywhere you want. I really appreciated this feature when I gave expensive radios to my two not-very-responsible children to use on a chair lift. The leash can also be removed if not needed.

I liked the leash so much that I bought two extras for other radios that I own. The leash saved them several times from falling to a cold death while riding the chair lift.

Low Voltage Mode

If you want or need to save battery life, you can reduce the transmission wattage from 2 watts to .5 watts. This does indeed save battery life but also reduces transmission range significantly.

A lapel mic does not come standard in the box but can be purchased separately if wanted.

Rocky Talkie

4.3

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Where are Rocky Talkies Made

Rocky Talkie is a small company based in Denver, Colorado. All of their radios are designed and tested there. According to their website, the actual manufacturing is done in China.

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Every so often, a zombie dressed as a runner would stumble into the fire light from out of the cold and darkness. I was waiting for my zombie to arrive so that I could give him aid and run with him for the last 20 miles of his race.

As I sat there waiting, a runner came stumbling up to the fire, sat down, then immediately threw up. After cleaning herself up the best she could and with her head still between her knees, she mumbled to no one in particular, “This is a stupid sport!”

After this profound proclamation, she got up, helped herself to some self-serve M&Ms on the communal table, refilled her water bottles, and trudged off into the night to join the zombie migration to the finish line.

I have often felt the same way while tired, dirty, and sore multiple days into a backpacking trip. Like ultramarathoning, ultralight backpacking is a ridiculous sport. I will think in self-pity before picking up my ultralight pack and setting off the trail toward some arbitrary finish line.

What is the Point of Ultralight Backpacking

You would think from the introduction that I don’t like ultralight backpacking, but that is not true. I enjoy it despite, or maybe because of, the challenges and difficulties we face on the trail. I enjoy it because of the incredibly beautiful places it has taken me and the relationships I have developed and cultivated along the way.

If you’re unsure what I’m talking about here, you’re in the right place to learn more about what ultralight backpacking is.

Everyone has their own “why” when it comes to ultralight backpacking, and as the saying goes, if the purpose is greater than pain, purpose wins. While it is always fun to feel smug and superior because of the size of your pack, ultralight just for the sake of ultralight is not the reason that I do it.

There are many reasons to get into ultralight backpacking. Usually, it is a progression from traditional backpacking to lightweight backpacking to ultralight as your mileage increases or your knees get worse.

I enjoy moving long distances through the wilderness efficiently, and ultralight backpacking allows me to do that.

Ultralight backpacking is not for everyone but if it fits into your “why,” it can be amazing.

For me, ultralight backpacking is the most fun when there is a balance between purpose, skill, fitness, and equipment. One follows the other like dominos. I know it will be a good trip when all of these things line up.

1. Purpose

It starts with a map and a dream. I am unsure how much of my life has been spent poring over maps, but it is significant. When I was younger, it was paper maps. I still have a box full of paper maps in my closet.

Now I’ve moved on to electronic maps, but the point is still the same: to come up with a route that inspires and to some degree scares me.

2. Fitness

After my purpose is set and I have convinced my wife to let me go, I work on training my fitness. There are some people out there that can do this kind of stuff “off the couch,” but I find that I am not one of them. I usually train for specific trips and find that I enjoy them more when I am prepared physically for the challenge.

3. Skill

Skill comes with not only experience but with a conscious effort to become better. As your skill level increases, you can rely less on gear. When planning a trip, it is essential to know your skill level and the level of skill of your companions because as the gear gets lighter, the margin for error shrinks.

4. Gear

Last comes gear selection. I try to tailor my kit to the specific conditions I will find. I don’t try for a specific base weight. Instead, I take the lightest weight that I feel will be safe and try to balance comfort while hiking with safety and comfort in camp.

Is Ultralight Backpacking Gear Worth It?

I was preparing for my very first true ultralight backpacking trip. In the past, I had dabbled a bit here and there with ultralight gear but had never fully committed. I had planned a 150-mile trip in the mountains around Stanley in Central Idaho.

The plan was to spend five days hiking through the White Cloud Mountains, the Frank Church Wilderness Area, and the Sawtooth Mountains.

I marveled at how light my gear was. I was also trying to hide from my long-suffering wife due to how much of our retirement I had spent to make it happen. Instead of showing her my new (and expensive) sleeping quilt and tent, I showed her my cat food can that I had converted into a cooking stove. See, not all ultralight gear has to be expensive.

As I started out, it was amazing how great it felt and how easily the miles flew by. This was the perfect combination of purpose, fitness, skill, and gear. I don’t even have any funny stories to tell because everything went so smoothly. Kind of a bummer, really.

It is a trip I will remember for the rest of my life, and it would not have been possible if I had to haul around a massive pack that weighed a ton.

Advantages of Going Ultralight

• Can go farther
• Easier on the joints
• Makes the hiking part of backpacking more enjoyable
• Ultralight gear has become easier to find
• Looks cool

Disadvantages of Ultralight Backpacking Gear

• Harder to find in traditional brick-and-mortar stores
• Can be less comfortable
• May be more fragile
• Often ultra-expensive
• Easy to outpace skill and experience and get in over your head

Ultralight gear is definitely worth it when you have the skills and experience to use it, and it fits into the purpose of the trip that you want to do. But if you just want to sit around camp in comfort and eat like a king, by all means, carry a ridiculously heavy pack.

When It’s Dumb

One fall day, two friends and I woke up in one of the best places in the whole world to wake up, on the edge of the Grand Canyon. The goal was to hike down the rugged, remote, and beautiful Thunder River Trail and camp on Tapeats Creek. The next day we planned on hiking back out the way we came.

To save weight, we took two tarps that we would tie together to create a shelter. After getting the tarps set up, it was immediately apparent that it would not be big enough to fit all three of us comfortably.

We rock, paper, and scissored for who would get the highly coveted middle spot. I lost and had to sleep on the less desirable side.

Overnight it rained and between the rain leaking in and the condensation from the three of us breathing all night, I and the other loser were soaking wet. When we woke up in the morning, the guy in the middle sat up completely dry and well-rested. He looked at the two of us on the sides and said, “I feel like a pretty princess.”

In our attempt to carry less weight, we compromised our good night’s sleep and ended up having to carry soaking-wet sleeping bags out of the Grand Canyon.

In case you were curious, here is a list of some of the best tents for backpacking. You won’t find blue tarps from Walmart on this list!

It is easy to get caught up in trying to drop as much weight as you can from your pack, but it becomes dumb when you save ounces but gain pounds. Even worse is when you go too light and it endangers your safety.

In Conclusion, Ultralight Backpacking is Ridiculous

In our modern day, when it is possible to jump on a jet and be halfway around the world in comfort, it seems ridiculous to pack a small, light pack and head off into the woods.

However, there is something immensely satisfying about going places that can only be reached by your own two feet and the sweat of your brow. And the further away it is from any form of civilization the better.

When done right, ultralight backpacking isn’t ridiculous at all. In fact, it can be sublime.

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Do you know the first thing other hikers probably asked her on the trail?

“What’s your base weight?“

Several things have changed in the past 70 or so years, including gear, materials, and styles. But the one thing that has not changed is a backpacker’s obsession with the amount of weight that is carried on their back.

What Base Weight Means in Backpacking

In the modern era, when we talk about pack weight, it is divided into two categories. Base weight and overall weight. Both are important, but base weight is what we will discuss in this article.

Base weight is the total weight of your pack, as you will carry it, minus any consumable items you use along the way like food, water, and fuel. Primary items like a sleeping system, tent, and backpack are included in your base weight. Clothing is generally not included.

You can choose if you want to include your toilet paper or not.

How to Measure Base Weight

Measuring base weight is a straightforward process. Pack your backpack with everything that you are going to carry in it, minus clothing, food, water, fuel, and maybe toilet paper, then weigh the pack.

Your base weight does not include the clothes you will wear while hiking or anything in your pockets. You can stuff your pants pockets with items that should be in your pack just so you can claim a lower base weight, but you are only fooling yourself.

The key here is to have a system and do it the same way each time.

What’s a Good Base Weight for Backpacking?

In general, there are three different categories of backpacking, each of which is associated with varying base weights. They are standard or traditional backpacking, lightweight backpacking, and ultralight backpacking. In the last several years, a fourth category has also emerged, called fastpacking.

In this section, we will discuss each of these categories and discuss acceptable base weights, pros and cons, and average daily mileage. We will also talk about the best places to find equipment.

Backpacking Base Weight Chart

Traditional Backpacking Base Weight

Traditional backpacking is what comes to mind when most people think about backpacking. This includes big robust packs, comfy sleeping pads, and large heavy tents. Imagine a Boy Scout troop doing a weeklong 50-mile trip with large overstuffed packs.

Base Weight

The base weight of traditional backpacking is generally 15 to 20 pounds.

Pros

• Most of the stuff in this category is very comfortable
• There are generally cheap options
• The equipment is more durable
• You can eat like a king

Cons

• You have to carry all that comfort on your back
• Heavy
• The weight limits the distance you can travel in a day
• The weight makes the hiking portion of the day uncomfortable
• Off-trail travel becomes more difficult

Trade-Offs

With a traditional set up you are choosing comfort and durability over weight. This means you will be more comfortable in camp but more miserable while hiking. Traditional backpacking also requires less skill than ultralight backpacking.

Miles Per Day Recommendation and Types of Trips

Traditional gear is best used when hiking less than 10 miles per day. I use a more conventional setup when I plan on walking into an area, then setting up a base camp and exploring the area on day hikes from there. I also tend to carry a traditional setup when camping with my kids, as they can be hard on the less durable ultralight gear.

Best Place to Buy Traditional Backpacking Gear

If you want a traditional backpacking setup, then just go to REI or a similar store, and ask the sales associate to deck you out for a weeklong backpacking trip, and you will be set.

Lightweight Backpacking Base Weight

Lightweight backpacking has really come into its own over the last 20 years. With improvements in material and manufacturing techniques, it is possible to have all the comforts of a traditional setup with less weight. Plus, you don’t have to sacrifice durability like you once did.

With this new lighter gear, lightweight backpacking has become accessible for more people. It also does not require the same level of skill or neuroticism as ultralight backpacking.

To be honest, this is the category that I find myself in for 90% of my trips. It is the “one size fits most” category and where I push most beginner and intermediate backpackers especially if they are not interested in really long mile days.

Base Weight

10 to 15 pounds is an acceptable base weight for this category.

Pros

• Light enough for most trips
• Not as expensive as ultralight-weight backpacking gear
• You don’t have to lose sleep over whether you overpacked by 3 ounces
• The gear is easy to get

Cons

• To be honest, I am having a hard time coming up with any cons
• Ok, maybe it is a little heavy if your objective is to hike 20 or more miles per day

Trade-Offs

While lightweight backpacking is most often the best of both worlds, it can sometimes be the worst—kind of the opposite of the Goldilocks setup. If you don’t balance weight and comfort appropriately, it can end up being too heavy while hiking and not as comfortable as it should be in camp.

Miles Per Day Recommendation and Types of Trips

Lightweight setups are designed for trips between 10 and 20 miles per day. This is also a good weight for shorter off-trail outings.

Best Places to Buy Lightweight Backpacking Gear

More and more places are offering lightweight setups. REI has come out with a great setup in this range. But when you walk in the door, you must be specific about what you are looking for.

Local outfitters are also a great resource but once again, you have to be specific and come prepared with the research already done. The biggest advantage to brick-and-mortar stores is that you can try out the gear before you buy it.

The internet is also a great place to look for lightweight gear. There is a multitude of cottage industries and direct-to-consumer companies that cater to the lightweight crowd. The hard part is that you can’t try before you buy.

It is best to do your homework and read reviews from a trusted source before buying online. I also try to find companies with liberal return policies.

Ultralight Backpacking Base Weight

Imagine a person deep in the backcountry with what looks like a day pack striding confidently along the trail. There is no way a full overnight kit fits in a small pack, right?

Also, it is best not to get too close to an ultralight backpacker. Because a toothbrush weighs too much and there is no use bringing extra clothes when you can just keep wearing the ones you used yesterday.

To tell you the truth, one of the best parts of ultralight backpacking is the look on people’s faces as you blow past them on the trail, out in the middle of nowhere, with a pack half the size of what they are carrying.

Total Base Weight

Anything under 10 pounds is considered ultralight.

Pros

• The lack of weight makes covering long miles easier
• Feeling smug about your base weight compared to those around you
• Ultralight-weight materials have come a long way in the last ten years
• Allows you to explore areas that you otherwise couldn’t access
• Great for the time-crunched backpacker
• Great for backpackers with knee or ankle issues

Cons

• You give up a certain amount of comfort and accessories while in camp
• Ultralight gear is not as durable and needs to be treated with more care
• Requires skills that are not necessary with standard backpacking

Trade-Offs

As I mentioned above, ultralight backpacking is a tradeoff between comfort while hiking versus comfort while in camp. While those two sides have come a lot closer recently, there is still a need to decide what is more important to you.

The other thing you are trading here is experience and skills for weight. As you learn to pick a better spot to pitch your tent, you can start to carry a lighter shelter. With every new skill you acquire, there is a lighter piece of gear that becomes available, or better yet, you can just leave it at home altogether.

Miles Per Day Recommendation and Types of Trips

Any time my trips exceed 20 miles per day my base weight tends to dip closer to the ultralight spectrum. Also, if there will be a significant amount of off-trail hiking or large amounts of vertical gain, then I want an ultralight pack.

The other group of people that tend to fall in this category are long-distance backpackers and through-hikers.

Best Places to Buy Ultralight Backpacking Gear

The best place to buy ultralight backpacking gear is online. There are companies that cater to the ultralight crowd. Only make your purchases after doing a significant amount of research and reading reviews. Some specialty shops are also starting to carry ultralight gear but you have to go prepared with your research or find a sales associate that really understands what you want.

Fastpacking

In recent years there has been a new category that has been created called fastpacking, and it is a subset of ultralight backpacking. While ultralight backpacking came from traditional backpackers who have whittled their gear down to the bare minimum, fastpacking came from trail runners who wanted to take their runs overnight.

Simply put, fastpacking is ultralight backpacking, but with some running thrown in for fun.

The Best Base Weight Is a Matter of Perspective

Several years ago, a friend and I decided to backpack into a remote lake in the Sawtooth Mountains of Central Idaho. We knew that there were no trails to the lake and that the access would be difficult, steep, and rocky. We decided to pack as light as possible and ended up at around 20 pounds of total weight for the three-day trip.

After enjoying the solitude of the remote lake, we hiked out and spent the last night at a popular, easy-to-reach lake. In the morning, we each ate the last of our dismal oatmeal packets and started toward our ride home.

On the other side of the lake, we encountered a friend finishing up a breakfast of fried potatoes who offered us generous portions of his leftovers.

As we wolfed them down, we discovered he was heading into the same remote lake we had just left, but his pack weighed an incredible 80 pounds. He had different objectives from us and, being a former Army Ranger, a much higher tolerance for suffering.

The moral of the story is that the ideal base weight is personal and different for everybody. Plus, the perfect base weight might differ for each trip. My base weight varies considerably depending on how far I plan to hike in a day, the time of year that I am going, who is going with me, and the trip’s main objectives.

If my goal is to hike all day and cover as many miles as possible, I strive for the lowest base weight that is possible and safe. However, if I am hiking a couple of miles to camp out overnight with my kids, I will pack more and be more worried about camp comfort than pack weight.

Also, if I am going to backpack during the shoulder season or winter, my base weight will be more so that I can add to my margin of safety.

How Much Base Weight is too Much?

Except for specific circumstances, anything over 20 to 25 pounds is too much base weight. We live in a time with amazing lightweight gear. Even if you are on a budget, finding comfortable and safe equipment that will keep your base weight under 20 to 25 pounds should be easy.

Here are some reasons you might find your base weight creeping up over that mark and it’s ok.

1. You are taking your significant other on their first backpacking trip, and you want it to go great so you carry some of their gear.
2. You are taking your kids backpacking and need to carry some of their gear.
3. You are backpacking in extreme conditions and need to be extra prepared.
4. You have a specific objective in mind that requires more and heavier gear, like climbing or photography.

How to Lower Your Backpacking Base Weight

Here is a quick guide on how to lower your base weight. Remember that this section could be a whole article itself, so these are just the high points. The initial investment can be spendy, but keep in mind that you don’t have to do it all at once. It can be dangerous to do it like that.

Take your time, and as you get more skilled and comfortable in the backcountry, you can take off more weight. In reality, this is a lifelong process of tweaking your setup until you get it just right. Actually, there is no such thing as “just right,” so you can research and buy gear your whole life. Enjoy that process.

1. Put Your “Big Three” on a Diet

The fastest way to lose weight off your back is to reduce the weight of your tent, sleep set up, and pack. Why these three, you ask? Because this is where you can stand to lose the most weight.

By cutting the end off your toothbrush, you lose an ounce or two, but if you can reduce the weight of your actual backpack from 6 pounds down to 2 pounds, you have instantly dropped 4 pounds! Similar drops can be made in your shelter and sleep system.

2. Optimize the Rest of your Kit and Reduce Redundancy

After the big three, you are not usually losing pounds but ounces, but those ounces add up. Take your time and think about each part of your kit. Do you really need a pot, a bowl, and a cup? Or can you just use your pot for everything?

Evaluate everything you put in your pack and decide if you really need it or if there is a lighter version of it after every trip. Reevaluate your kit and see what you used and what you didn’t.

We tend to pack our fears so as you become more skilled and comfortable, you will probably realize that you didn’t really need that ax after all.

3. Weigh Everything

This is where some people can go down a rabbit hole. There are people with spreadsheets of every piece of gear they own. I haven’t gone that far, but I suggest buying a high-quality scale so you can make informed decisions. I generally use the scale to help me decide between two options.

4. Avoid Last Minute Add-Ons

This is also not a good idea, just like throwing that last-minute Snickers bar and Mt Dew into your cart while you’re standing in the checkout line while your wife’s head is turned. Last-minute additions to your pack can add up.

Most last-minute items are thrown in on a whim without much thought, but a couple of ounces here and there can add up to pounds in a hurry.

5. Be OK With Being Uncomfortable

This is more an editorial than a tip. I think as a society, we have spent so much energy and money trying to be comfortable that we have forgotten that sometimes it’s ok not to be. In fact, all growth comes from discomfort.

I also believe that being miserable is something that we are taught. My kids were playing in the rain one time. They were wet and cold, but they did not realize they were miserable until I told them they were. Up until that point, they thought that they were having fun.

Sometimes ultralight backpacking is uncomfortable, but you know what? That’s ok.

6. Don’t be “Stupid Light”

There are two parts to this one. I know I just told you it is ok to be uncomfortable, but you must pack enough to be safe. Shaving weight off your pack can be addicting, but it can also be dangerous. Do your research, know the conditions, and pack accordingly.

The second part is don’t cut so much weight off a piece of gear that it becomes unusable. One time I cut the end off my spoon saving an ounce or so. I was so proud of myself and excited about how hardcore I was.

I spent the first several days of the trip so frustrated that I eventually put the spoon at the bottom of the pack and fashioned a new one out of wood. My new wooden spoon was functional but twice as heavy as the original would have been.

Concluding Thoughts

Figuring out the perfect base weight for you and the type of backpacking you want to do takes time and a lot of trial and error. Luckily that just means more backpacking, which is great.

My advice is don’t get too caught up in the numbers and have fun along the way. Also, don’t let your significant other see all of your {expensive} gear in one place at one time. That is very important.

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Spoiler alert: the answer is yes. However, there are some caveats to that recommendation; we will talk about those below.

I understand that not everyone likes to go light and fast, but I hate heavy packs even on shorter trips with my family. I have a runner’s body and it was not meant to carry ridiculous loads.

Gear has also come a long way in the past 20 years, and you don’t necessarily have to be uncomfortable to be light, and one of the first steps to lightening your load is buying a light pack.

Are Ultralight Backpacks Comfortable?

This is the first question that I generally get when someone starts looking at ultralight packs. The answer to this is also easy. Yes, ultralight backpacks can be comfortable. They can also be very uncomfortable if used in a way that they weren’t designed.

Here are the three things you must do to make your ultralight pack comfortable.

1. Don’t Exceed the Manufacturer’s Weight Recommendation

Ultralight packs come with a weight recommendation. If you use an ultralight pack, everything else needs to be ultralight, such as your tent and sleeping setup. This is important. An ultralight pack is not designed to carry a heavy load; if you load it too heavy, it will be uncomfortable.

2. Pack it Right

With a traditional backpack, you can pretty much jam your gear in however you want, and the suspension system and back panel will protect you. With an ultralight pack, the suspension system and back panel are minimal or non-existent. Instead, how you pack your backpack gives it the structure it needs.

This is a learnable skill but it takes some practice and trial and error to get it right.

3. Get the Right Size

Traditional packs can sometimes be customized to fit a wide range of sizes, but with an ultralight pack, you might need to do some measuring to ensure you have the right fit. Most ultralight packs come in small, medium, and large and have a sizing chart on their website.

If you are unsure or are in between sizes, call the manufacturer’s customer service to see if they can help.

Also, check to see what the return policy is before you buy. It might come in handy.

How Much Do Ultralight Packs Cost?

The cost of an ultralight pack is similar to that of a traditional pack and will be between $200 and $400.

The cost mainly depends on what material is used to make the pack. More traditional pack materials like ripstop nylon will be in the $200 to $300 range. More exotic materials such as Dyneema Composite Fabrics (DCF) will be more in the $300 to $400 range.

If you are patient, you can usually find what you want on sale.

Tradeoffs of Ultralight vs. Traditional Backpacks

There are several things that you trade off by buying an ultralight pack.

Robustness

The first thing that you trade off is robustness. I have an old, traditional pack, the Arcteryx Bora 80, that I have owned for the past 20 years. I have beat the crap out of that thing, plus loaned it out to multiple people who used it like a stolen car. It still looks awesome, except where a squirrel crewed its way into the top pocket.

For the most part, ultralight packs are less robust and you have to take better care of them, but if you do, there is no reason it won’t last a long time.

Accessories & Features

The second compromise is accessories and features. One of the ways that ultralight packs keep the weight down is to ruthlessly cut off anything that is not necessary. Ultralight packs like the Gossamer Gear Gorilla are pretty bare bones.

Versatility

Ultralight backpacks are designed to carry a light load over long distances and they do that very well. It is not very surprising, then, that they do not tend to be very versatile. Think of the ultralight pack as a tool you buy for a specific use.

An ultralight backpack won’t be the same pack you grab for a family trip where you carry all the gear for the group. Nor for a hunting trip in the back woods.

That said, I have grabbed my Hyperlite Mountain Gear Junction 2400 for all sorts of things over the past year like day hikes and backcountry skiing.

Load Weight Limit

Load-carrying capacity is the last trade-off that we are going to talk about. Most ultralight packs max out at about 30 pounds of capacity, while traditional packs allow you to carry heavier loads. Although a 50-pound pack is never going to be fun to carry.

Pros of Ultralight Packs

• An ultralight pack helps set the tone for an ultralight setup
• Simplicity makes it easier to use
• Ultralight packs loaded properly allow you to explore areas that would be difficult with a heavy pack
• Ultralight packs are easier on joints
• They allow you to hike further in a day comfortably

Cons of Ultralight Packs

• Not as robust
• Lack of many features and accessories
• Can be uncomfortable if not packed right
• Have a fairly low weight limit

When Ultralight Packs Don’t Make Sense

While I enjoy ultralight backpacking, there are times when a larger, heavier load and by extension a larger and heavier backpack just make sense.

Specific backcountry activities, by their very nature, require more gear. I have a friend that loves technical rock climbing in the backcountry and another that is into backcountry hunting. These activities require heavy gear making it difficult to use an ultralight backpack.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying some creature comforts like a camp chair in the backcountry. I just don’t like carrying them on my back. Sometimes, however, it is worth it or necessary. When I do a short hike into a lake and set up a base camp for the weekend, I carry extra gear and use a heavier pack.

Another use that I get out of the heavy pack is when I am camping with my kids and I end up carrying the bulk of the food, water, and equipment. As they got older, I gave them more gear to carry themselves. But when they were just starting out it was important that they had a good time and stuck with it, so I did the heavy lifting.

The last reason I keep my old Bora 80 in the garage is when I need to lend it out. I was a Boy Scout leader for a long time and I was not about to trust my nice ultralight backpack to a 15-year-old.

Recommendations

I love ultralight backpacking and one of the first steps is to buy an ultralight pack. Luckily, we live in a time where there are many options to choose from and a pack for every budget and need.

If you are looking for a great ultralight pack, check out our review of some of the best out there!

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By and large we know exactly what we want.

For someone who has never fly fished there is a confusing number of options, colors, weights, and types of gear available. Plus, the terminology can be confusing.

The good news is that the fly fisher for whom you are shopping has already done the research for you. And we are willing to explain, in excruciating detail, what we want and why.

The problem comes when you want to pick the perfect gift, but still want it to be a surprise. Luckily for you I have done the research for you.

Below you will find a list of gift options that will satisfy anyone from the beginner to the fly fisherman who has everything.

Some of these products I have personally used and loved. I have also reached out to friends to ask them what piece of fly fishing gear they couldn’t live without. Lastly, there are things that I don’t have, but have done the research on, and would love to get as a gift myself.  Hopefully my wife will pick up some hints as she reads this.

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Wanna cut to the chase? Here are a few of my top picks.

Top Pick	For Beginners	Best Cheap
RTIC Soft Pack Cooler 30 Can	Orvis Encounter Fly Rod Outfit	Gink Dry Fly Flotant
$175.50	N/A	$7.80
Why We Like It: It's a high quality cooler they might not buy themselves and you can avoid buying fly fishing gear they may not want.	Why We Like It: It's a great balance of quality and price for a highly capable fly fishing combo for newer fly anglers.	Why We Like It: It costs hardly anything and makes a great stocking stuffer that any fly fisherman will actually use. Even if they have some, they'll need more.
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Top Pick

RTIC Soft Pack Cooler 30 Can

$175.50

Why We Like It:

It's a high quality cooler they might not buy themselves and you can avoid buying fly fishing gear they may not want.

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For Beginners

Orvis Encounter Fly Rod Outfit

N/A

Why We Like It:

It's a great balance of quality and price for a highly capable fly fishing combo for newer fly anglers.

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Best Cheap

Gink Dry Fly Flotant

$7.80

Why We Like It:

It costs hardly anything and makes a great stocking stuffer that any fly fisherman will actually use. Even if they have some, they'll need more.

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Fly Fishing Gifts Under $20

Fly fishing can be an expensive sport but, luckily there are plenty of gift ideas that come in under the $20 mark. Inexpensive does not necessarily mean cheap. While it’s easy to fall into the trap of buying junk while on a budget, here is a list of great gift ideas that don’t cost a ton of money, but will still be useful.

Ketchum Release by Waterworks-Lamson

$22.53

If the person you are buying the gift for is into catch-and-release fishing this is a great little gadget. The less a fish is handled the healthier it will be after it is released and this tool helps release a fish with bare minimum contact. I have used one of these for years and I love it. Just put it on the line then push it down over the fly and with a twist of the wrist the fly comes out and the fish swims off unharmed. They also come in different sizes to accommodate different sized flies.

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Oros Strike Indicators

The humble strike indicator doesn’t get a lot of love but they are very important. My friend, who used to guide on the South Fork of the Snake River, swears by the Oros strike indicator and I have to say that after using them, I have been converted. They are easy to use with very little fiddle factor. You run your line through the center then screw them closed. If you want to change depths then you unscrew it a little, then change depths and screw them back closed together.

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Flies for $1 to $4 each

The one thing that every fisherman could use more of is flies.

For the beginning fly fisher, a kit of basic flies like this one below from Cabela’s is a great place to start. For the more experienced fly angler it can be a bit more complicated.

The best advice is to find out where your someone special likes to fish and the type of fishing that they do and take this knowledge to the local fly shop. Specialty shops are better than big box stores for this type of thing. Just don’t be surprised how expensive flies are.

And whatever you do, don’t go through their fly box and add up how much money they have already spent on these little pieces of fluff!

Cabela's 12-Piece Classic Trout Fly Assortment

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Fly Box

And where is the fly fisherman in your life going to put all of these new flies that you got him? In a new fly box, of course.

There are many different types and shapes of fly boxes. The first type has foam on the inside that you push the fly into in orderly rows the other type has compartments to put the flies into.

There are many good fly boxes out there, but to help, these are a couple nice ones to choose from.

Lost Creek Double Sided Polycarbonate Fly Box

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Cortland Line U-Bottom Fly Box

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Fly Fishing Gifts Under $50

In this price range we are still looking at accessories, but they are what make fly fishing possible. From the necessary to the obscure there are a lot of good gifts to find under $50.

Smith Creek Rig Keeper

$23.50

I love fishing for big trout with dry flies. The feeling of watching fish take my fly off the surface is why I fish in the first place. But let’s be honest. Most of what fish eat is subsurface and so when the fish aren’t rising it’s time to throw some nymphs. This is where the dropper comes in. Instead of giving up on dry flies altogether you can just tie a nymph to the end of the hook and double your chances. The only problem is that tying up dropper rigs is time consuming and a bit tedious. That is where the Smith Creek Rig Keeper comes in. The Rig Keeper allows you to store dropper rigs to use whenever you need them. I have never used the Rig Keeper, but it is definitely going on my wish list this year!

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O’Pros 3rd Hand Belt Clip Rod Holder

$27.83

This is another device that I have not used but I am intrigued by it. It solves a problem that all fly fishers have. What to do with the rod while tying on flies or untangling lines? My go to has always been tucking my rod into my armpit for long term projects or biting the cork handle and holding it in my mouth for short term projects. I have also been known to throw my rod to the ground if I’m in a hurry. None of these options are very good and that is where the Belt Clip Holder comes in. It attaches to the belt and allows you to clip in the rod and be hands free while you do other things. How many times have you wished that you had a third hand? With this device your wish is granted!

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08/15/2023 01:15 pm GMT

Loon Outdoors Rogue Quick Draw Forcep

$22.40

A good set of forceps is an important tool while fly fishing, unfortunately I have managed to lose every single pair that I have ever owned. If the person that you are buying a gift for has a similar tendency to lose things then consider the Rogue Quick Draw by Loon Outdoors. With a small carabiner built into the handle it is easy to clip onto your pack or person. Now they can take it anywhere and not worry about putting it down and forgetting it.

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08/15/2023 01:20 pm GMT

Tenkara Strap Pack

I am a minimalist by nature and I also spend a lot of my time fishing in the backcountry. I find that I am a much better fisherman when I am fishing in a place that doesn’t get fished very often. The only problem is that those places tend to be a long way from the road. When I am backpacking, hiking, or running deep into the backcountry to fish, I want a fly fishing bag that is lightweight, strong and simple. I finally found the Tenkara Strap Pack by Tenkara USA and it meets all of my requirements. Plus, it attaches to the shoulder strap of my pack giving me easy access while on the move. If the person that you are buying a gift for also enjoys being deep in the woods and is a minimalist, I would highly recommend this as a gift.

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Fishpond San Juan Vertical Chest Pack

$49.95

The San Juan Vertical Chest Pack is the perfect size pack. It is big enough to carry all of the fly fishing gear that you need for a day of fly fishing while being small enough to not get in the way and makes sure that you aren’t burdened with any unnecessary items. While it is designed to be carried on the chest it has enough attachment points so that you can be creative in how it is carried.

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08/15/2023 01:20 pm GMT

Fly-Tying Gifts

I tied my first fly at Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico a long time ago. I promptly lost that bit of fluff that was supposed to be a royal coachman on one of my first back casts.

You might think that this is a story about how I became a fly tyer, but it turns out I didn’t like it very much and I haven’t attempted to tie my own fly in years.

However, there are a lot of people that enjoy tying their own flies, or want to give it a try.

Cabela's Standard Fly-Tying Tool Kit

If you find someone on your gift list mumbling under their breath about the price of flies it might be time to buy them a fly-tying kit. The Cabela’s kit comes with all the tools they need but doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.

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Cabela's Prestige Fly Tying Station

Here is another budget item for the beginner fly tyer. It is a nice, and portable workstation to help organize all of the stuff that you need to tie your own flies. Just don’t be surprised if, after you introduce your loved one to fly tying, that it starts to take over the house. Just don’t blame me.

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Fly Fishing Father’s Day and Mother’s Day Gifts

If your mom or dad enjoy fly fishing then Mother’s Day and Father’s day are the perfect time to get them a fly fishing related gift. Springtime brings the start to another fishing season and what better way to start than with brand new gear.

Orvis Clearwater Waders

$199.00

Spring is also a good time to update worn out waders. I have been thinking a lot about a nice pair lately because my old ones started to leak and the memories of my cold, wet feet are fresh on my mind. The Clearwater by Orvis has everything that I want in a wader at a reasonable price.

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08/15/2023 06:07 pm GMT

O'Pros Driftless Dry Fly Net

$145.00

I spent most of my misguided youth fishing without a net, but as the size of the fish I was chasing got bigger and after many frustrating experiences losing fish while landing them, I concede that a net is important. The Driftless Dry Fly Net by O’Pros comes in 3 different handle lengths and is deep enough that big fish don’t flop out. The handle’s also have a convenient ruler on them so you can still measure if you want, but it doesn’t have the annoying measurements on the bottom of the net so that you will be unburdened by the truth when you tell your friends later.

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08/15/2023 07:15 pm GMT

Sun Shirts

Springtime sun can feel amazing after a long cold winter, but we know that too much sun can lead to problems later on. I hate slathering on sunscreen, plus I always forget to reapply. With a sun shirt there is no need. Put it on in the morning and you are good to go all day long whether it is wet or dry. Plus, everyone looks good in a hoodie.

Not all materials are created equally so it is important to look at the garments’ UPF rating. For day long adventures on or near the water it is recommended that the shirt have a UPF rating of 40 to 50.

Styles differ but here are a few great choices for hoodies. Each come in men and women’s styles and have an appropriate UPF rating.

Free Fly Apparel Bamboo Shade Hoody

Made of odor fighting and soft bamboo this hoody is on my own personal wish list.

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Simms SolarFlex Guide Cooling Hoody

The SolarFlex comes with a built-in face shield.

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Grundéns Solstrale Hoody

$47.99

For cooler days on the water, I enjoyed the Solstrale hoody and wrote a review on it here.

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08/15/2023 08:45 pm GMT

Outdoor Research Astroman Long Sleeve Sun Shirt

$98.96

If hoodies aren’t your thing and you want a nice button up shirt there are plenty to choose from but this is my favorite. I have worn and loved the Astroman Sun Shirt. Even though I already have one I always find myself browsing the internet looking to see if they are on sale so I can buy another.

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08/16/2023 05:15 am GMT

Best Gifts for Someone Who Loves Fly Fishing

Fly fishing is a sport that requires more than just throwing bits of fluff into water hoping to trick a fish into rising. It is done in the mountains and valleys and at times deep in the wilderness. This environment requires a different set of skills and equipment. Here are some gifts for the fly fisher that enjoys venturing deep into the backcountry.

ZOLEO Satellite Communicator

$199.00

While cell coverage has expanded considerably over the past 10 years there are still wild places that have no service. For my own peace of mind, and that of my wife, I have carried a Zoleo satellite communication device for the past several years. I have found it useful and reliable. You can read my full review here.

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08/16/2023 07:25 am GMT

Zenbivy Bed 25°

I hate sleeping bags. I find them claustrophobic and uncomfortable. Over the past spring and summer, I have been using the Zenbivy Bag. It is an innovative sleep system that sleeps more like your bed at home with a sheet and quilt. The quilt will attach to the sheet to keep out annoying drafts. It was designed for side sleepers like me and I have really enjoyed using it and would recommend it. It is the perfect gift for the fly fisher on your list that loves multi day fishing trips but hates sleeping bags. See my full review here.

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First Aid Kit by Adventure Medical

Despite our best intentions injuries do sometimes occur while we are out fishing. When it does, having a well-stocked first aid kit is a must. No more rooting around in the backseat of your vehicle for something to stop the bleeding or patch up a puncture wound made by an errant hook.

I have been using Adventure Medical Kits for years and find them well stocked with what I need. They are also well laid out so that the stuff I need is easy to find. Adventure Medical also sells replacement kits for when you use something.

Ultralight Watertight .7 First Aid Kit

$32.95

The Ultralight .7 is perfect for day trips that include any sort of hiking. It also comes in a waterproof package which is perfect for fly fishers.

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08/15/2023 09:55 pm GMT

Mountain Series Guide Medical Kit

$105.00

I keep the Mountain Guide in my truck. It has everything needed for a week of adventure and a small group of people.

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08/15/2023 09:55 pm GMT

Christmas Gifts for Fly Fishing

Winter is a time to rest and recover from the summer and consider plans for the upcoming season. It is also a good time for gift giving and receiving. Christmas is the perfect opportunity to give the gift of a new skill and the equipment to excel.

Spending money on a new fly rod is a risky endeavor and it’s best not to surprise an experienced fly fisher with a new rod unless you are positive that you know exactly what they want. However, it is a little easier to buy a set up for someone trying to get into fly fishing.

Orvis Encounter Fly Rod Outfit

The Encounter Fly Rod Outfit by Orvis is an excellent kit that comes with everything you need to start fishing. I bought this set up for my son for his birthday this fall and have to admit I snuck it out for a test drive and loved it. Even though it is considered a beginner set up, I watched my friend’s son catch multiple 20 inch brown trout with it this summer on the Smith River in Montana. It comes in different lengths and weights but the 9 foot 5 weight is an excellent all around rod.

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Tenkara USA Amago Tenkara Rod (Best Lightweight Backpacking Rod)

$180.00

Tenkara fishing is a Japanese style of fishing that does not require a reel. The Amago is 13.5 feet long but collapses down to just 21 inches and only weighs 3.5 ounces. This makes it perfect for endeavors where weight and size make a difference, like backpacking. I have also used this rod on big day trips trying to reach remote and secluded fishing high in the mountains. The rod itself is designed for bigger water and bigger fish. I have found that it will handle fish up to 20 inches.

 

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08/15/2023 10:26 pm GMT

Soft Sided Cooler

Christmas isn’t just for new rods, but it’s also a good time to buy other big-ticket items. One of those big-ticket items is a nice soft sided cooler. Nothing is better than having a small portable cooler to keep your beverage of choice and lunch cold whether you are on a boat or in your car.

RTIC Soft Pack Cooler 30 Can

$175.50

I bought an RTIC soft cooler several years ago and never looked back. I love it. I have plenty of hard sided coolers in the garage at my house but if I am packing for 1 to 2 days or just want an ice-cold beverage handy this is the cooler that I grab.

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08/15/2023 10:55 pm GMT

YETI Hopper M30 Soft Cooler

$580.99

Yeti has been making innovative coolers for a long time and this is no exception. It has a magnetic closer that is awesome and it holds just the right amount for a day. When my buddy launches his drift boat down the South Fork of the Snake, the Hopper is always by his side.

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08/15/2023 11:00 pm GMT

Top-Rated Fly Fishing Gifts

If you haven’t found what you are looking for yet, don’t worry. We have more top-rated gifts that should make the day of any fly fisher.

Smith Guide's Choice Sunglasses

$268.90

Polarized sunglasses are a must for every fly fisher. They cut down on glare allowing you to better see beneath the surface of the water, they also make it easier to follow a dry fly on top and they reduce eye fatigue. Outdoor Empire’s own Chase Fly spent the summer testing the best Smith sunglasses and he would recommend the Guide’s Choice. You can read his full review here.

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08/16/2023 12:29 am GMT

Smith Joya Sunglasses

$197.10

For women's focused sunglasses Chase’s wife liked the Smith Joya best. Review here. Sunglasses can be a bit tricky to buy as a gift so make sure that you buy them somewhere they can be returned if they don’t fit right.

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08/16/2023 03:06 am GMT

Patagonia Black Hole Duffel 100L

$219.00

Carrying all the gear that is needed on overnight fishing trips can be daunting. While most gear is contained you end up with lots of little bags, so being able to throw all of those little bags into one big bag is super convenient. The Black Hole bag from Patagonia lives up to its name as you can just keep throwing stuff in and it disappears inside. It’s like magic. I have carried one of these bags all over the west on fishing trips, camping trips, family trips and everything else in between for years. My original bag from years ago still looks brand new and I plan on using it for years to come. If you or your special someone is looking for a day bag then try the 40 L bag. It’s just as durable but in a smaller package.

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08/16/2023 12:50 am GMT

Redington Fly Rod Travel Case

$46.91

Most fly rods come in a protective tube, but there is no place to put the reel. I hate having to remove the reel each time I want to put the rod away plus then I have two pieces of gear to potentially lose. I much prefer to have a travel case where I can leave the reel attached. The Fly Rod Travel Case allows me to do just that.

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08/16/2023 12:54 am GMT

Orvis Sling Pack

$119.00

Like I said above I tend to be a minimalist by nature, but sometimes you just need to bring more gear. When that is the case the Guide Sling Pack by Orvis has all of the room for the flies, tools, and other gear that you need. I like sling packs over traditional packs because they are easy to swing around to the front of your body for easy access and in my experience, they are still pretty stable staying where you want them. The other nice thing is that if you are buying this pack for someone that is just starting out you can buy it fully loaded with all of the tools and supplies that they need to start fishing.

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08/16/2023 01:30 am GMT

YETI Rambler 36 oz Bottle

$50.00

The Yeti Rambler is, by now, a classic and has changed the way that I carry water on fishing trips. Long gone is the tepid water that used to fill my obsolete Nalgene bottle. If the person that you are trying to find a gift for still uses an uninsulated water bottle for the important task of staying hydrated, please do them a favor and give them a Yeti Rambler. It will change their life forever.

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08/16/2023 05:15 am GMT

Gifts for Men and Women Who Love Fly Fishing

Here are five more amazing gifts to get for the fly fisher in your life. The first few smaller items would make great stocking stuffers.

Gink Dry Fly Flotant

$7.80

I don’t care how much someone tells you that they enjoy nymph fishing when the fish start rising everyone switches to dry flies. To keep a fly on the surface requires flotant and for me it is all about the Gink. I have used Gink for 20 years and it just works.

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08/16/2023 01:40 am GMT

Fishpond Floatant Bottle Holder

$9.95

Having things right where you want them is one of the simple pleasures in life. Flotant bottles are small and easy to misplace. That is why I like keeping my Gink in a bottle holder. While I don’t own this one, it is an upgrade from the one I do use, and when mine wears out this is what I plan on buying to replace it.

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08/16/2023 01:45 am GMT

Loon Outdoors Easy Dry

$11.49

Keeping a dry fly on top of the water takes a lot of time, effort and skill. Once it becomes saturated it can be difficult to dry out. My go to in the past has always been squeezing the water out using my shirt or pants, but there is a better way. Easy Dry is a shake bottle used to suck out all the water from the fly so that you can reapply flotant. This is a great gift for the dedicated dry fly fisherman.

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YETI Panga 28 Waterproof Backpack

$300.00

It can sometimes be difficult to keep your things dry while out on the water fishing. The Panga is a great way to keep that expensive gear from getting wet, either from a sudden rain shower or getting “accidentally” dunked in a river. The Panga is completely waterproof, airtight, and submersible, including the zipper. If you are tired of cleaning up wet gear, then give the gift of dryness this year.

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08/16/2023 05:22 am GMT

Gifts for a Fly Fisherman Who Has Everything

Some people seem to have every gadget, tool and accessory available. Not only are these people annoying, but they are also hard to buy gifts for. In my experience you don’t buy things for these kinds of people. You buy them experiences.

Guided Fly Fishing Trip

The best gift is the gift of fishing itself. Even though I have spent years guiding and doing private trips myself, my dream is an all-inclusive fishing trip down the Middle Fork of the Salmon. After years of schlepping gear, I feel like I deserve to have someone else cook meals for me and clean the groover. While this is my dream trip, there are a lot of different opportunities out there. From day trips on your local waters to week long trips in exotic locations there is something for everyone. While you’re at it go ahead and book two spots so that you can go along as well. We all know that you deserve it. Just keep the price to yourself.

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Final Thoughts

Fly fishers are picky. They spend a lot of their time using or thinking about gear. It’s the one thing that they might love more than you, so buying a fly fishing gift can be hard. Choose wisely and you are the hero, but choose poorly and you have a gift that sits in the corner reminding you of all the money you wasted.

You could always just ask what they want, but that would sentence you to 30 minutes of discussing the relative viscosities of different flotant at different temperatures, or a long speech about why 8 rubber legs on a fly are better than 6. It’s because 8 legs seem more “buggy” in case you were curious. If, however, you want to avoid that discussion, and most non-fly fishers will, just look through the gifts here and pick out something great.

Bonus Gift Ideas for Fly Fishers

These are some easy fly fishing gifts that everyone can use and they’re small enough to be stocking stuffers.

Loon Outdoors Rogue Zinger

$15.49

Everyone could use more retractable zingers. Fly fishers use them for attaching all sorts of gadgets to their fishing pack and they always need more.

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08/16/2023 02:35 am GMT

Voile Straps

$6.50

These were originally ski straps but they come in handy anytime that you want to attach one thing to another. I have used them for 20 years and have not run out of uses for them yet.

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08/16/2023 02:50 am GMT

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The Zenbivy system is super comfortable and makes sleeping in the backcountry a more restful experience. The combination of sheet and quilt work together much better than a sleeping bag or quilt alone. However, neither the Zenbivy Bed nor the Light Bed is the lightest option available to hikers.

While there are a couple of things that I think can be improved, I have been converted and will use a Zenbivy system on my upcoming adventures.

I have a confession to make: I hate sleeping bags. I find them claustrophobic, and as I toss and turn all night, I tend to become tangled up in them. Sleeping bags are just not designed for me.

About ten years ago, I was surprised and delighted to find backpacking quilts. Finally, I found something designed for my sleeping style. As a bonus, the quilt was lighter and packed smaller. I was a convert, and like all new converts, I preached to anyone that would listen about the benefits of a sleeping quilt.

As the honeymoon period ended, I could admit that the quilt was not perfect. A quilt can be drafty. It would fall off of me sometimes in the middle of the night, and sleeping right on a plastic-feeling sleeping pad is not the most comfortable. I wasn’t ready to get rid of my quilt but I did start to look for an optimized version of it.

That is when I found Zenbivy. Definitely not a sleeping bag but also not quite a quilt.

Zenbivy Review and Bed Comparison

Before we get too far into the review, we need to discuss the naming of the products. Zenbivy basically has three levels of beds.

1. The Motobed is designed as a car camping system. I did not get a chance to review this system.
2. The Zenbivy Bed is a midweight system that prioritizes comfort and convenience over weight, but is still designed to be used backpacking.
3. The Light Bed, as the name implies, is lighter than the original Zenbivy Bed. It gives up some comfort and ease of use in the process. For simplicity’s sake, I will call it the Light Bed.

I used the Zenbivy Bed and the Light Bed systems throughout several trips and will review and compare both systems. I’ll address what I liked, what I didn’t, and which system might be right for you.

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What Makes the Zenbivy System Different

At its core, the Zenbivy system is a quilt and sheet that combine to provide a comfortable night’s sleep.

Having a sheet and a quilt is nice, but the best part of Zenbivy’s system is that they combine to become more than their parts.

The top one-third of the quilt will attach to the sheet on both sides to help eliminate drafts and conserve heat. This also prevents the quilt from falling off in the middle of the night while having enough room to sleep on my side or roll over without getting tangled.

I am 5’10” and weigh around 175. I used the large-sized quilt and the 25”x77” sheet and I like how it fits.

You should also note that in both systems, the attachment system is located several inches from the outside edge of the quilt. This leaves a baffle to help protect you from drafts and is a well-thought-out design all around.

Now let’s look at the differences between the Zenbivy Bed vs Light Bed.

Zenbivy Bed

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The Zenbivy attaches to the sheet by using a YKK #5 zipper. This system is easy to use and works great with minimal fiddle factor.

The zippers are of good quality and I never had a problem with the zipper getting snagged or caught. I could quickly zip the quilt and mattress together even in the middle of the night when it was dark and my mental capacity was not at 100%.

Light Bed

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In an attempt to save weight, the Light Bed does away with the zipper and uses a hook and loop system. There are four small hooks on each side of the sheet paired with four small loops on each side of the quilt, attaching the two. While the system does work and is lighter, it is not as simple to use as the zipper on the Zenbivy Bed.

The hook and loops were easy to attach during daylight, but I had more difficulty at night. Sometimes, I was able to do it by feeling, but occasionally, I had to get my headlamp out to make it work.

My biggest problem was lining the right hook up with the correct loop. Most of the time, I would end up like my nine-year-old son buttoning up his dress shirt on his own. It didn’t always line up at the top when I was done.

I think that Zenbivy should come up with some sort of tactile and visual cue, like making the bottom hook bigger and a different color so that I know where to start.

The other difference between the two systems is that the Light Bed has the option of attaching the quilt down the entire length of the sheet, making it completely enclosed. I never did this while testing the Light Bed, so I can’t tell you how well it works.

I have one more thing to talk about in this section. It is difficult to make a hasty exit from the system when it is all done up tight, so you better plan ahead.

Like the comedian Jim Gaffigan says, “We are just prepackaging ourselves for the serial killers.” The original bivy isn’t as bad due to the zippers but the hook and loops of the Light Bed can take some time to undo. It is best to plan potty breaks and emergencies in advance.

Construction

The attention to detail that Zenbivy has put into its sleep system is impressive. The systems are well thought out, the materials are high quality and they are put together well.

Since the same company produces both systems, they score similarly in construction.

Zenbivy Bed Quilt

Outdoor Empire Score: 5/5

The Zenbivy Bed is made from 700-fill HyperDry down. The down is coated, making it resistant to water, a common problem with down. I never got the quilt wet while testing it, but I did not have any issues with the down losing loft during the night with condensation. The down is also Responsible Down Standard compliant.

The shell material is 20d Nylon Taffeta. Nothing earth-shattering there, but the liner is made from a material called 50d Polyester Pongee. Pongee is very soft to the touch and doesn’t have the slick nylon feel that most sleeping bags have.

Zenbivy calls the shape of the quilt a “purely semi-rectangular” shape but in reality, it is an elongated trapezoid. I like that the quilt will lay flat as this is more comfortable when it is warmer.

As the night cools down, you can zip the foot box closed with a zipper and seal the end with a drawstring making it look like a traditional backpacking quilt. The zipper works great and is hassle-free.

As an update for 2022, Zenbivy added a drawstring on the neck side of the quilt. It runs along the middle two-thirds of the top. When pulled tight, it bunches around the neck, helping seal out drafts. This leaves the ends to be tucked into the hood.

I wasn’t sure how much I would like it but I was pleasantly surprised by how well it worked. I have slept in an older version of this quilt that doesn’t have the drawstring and I am glad they added it. It seals the quilt around my neck and reduces drafts, making the quilt feel warmer than the version without it.

Zenbivy Bed Sheet

Outdoor Empire Score: 5/5

The sheet is made of the same Pongee material and is very comfortable to sleep on against my bare skin. Way better than sleeping right on a sleeping pad.

The sheet is fitted and works much like a sheet at home. It has a single strap around the back to hold it in place. It also has holes built into the edges so that you can use it with a mattress with square or rounded edges.

I didn’t have any problems with the sheet moving around at night and rarely even used the strap on the back and it was still okay.

While the sheet was designed to be used with Zenbivy’s mattress, it can, in reality, be used on any mattress from other manufacturers as long as the mattress size matches the sheet size pretty closely.

The hood of the sheet is made from the same 700 fill down that the quilt is made of.

Light Bed Quilt and Sheet

Outdoor Empire Score: 5/5

The Light and the Zenbivy Beds are similar in many ways so I will skip over how they are the same and just talk about how they are different.

The Light Bed is filled with 800 80/20 fill HyperDry down. The 80/20 means that 80% of the fill is down and 20% is feathers. Other premium quilts, like the Enlightened Equipment Revelation, use 100% 850 fill down.

I would like to see Zenbivy move to a more premium down that is at least 850 fill. I think that it would be worth the extra cost.

It is also made from 20d nylon taffeta with a DWR coating but unlike the original bed, the 20d nylon covers both the shell and the liner. Gone here is the 50d polyester Pongee liner that is found on the original.

The sheet is made from the same 20d Nylon and 800 fill down as the quilt is.

One of the biggest differences between the two is how the foot box is made. While the Zenbivy Bed uses zippers to transform the bottom into a foot box, the Light Bed uses the same hook and loop system along with a drawstring. The hook and loop help the Light Bed lose weight but it does add to the fiddle factor.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Because of the different systems used to attach the quilt to the sheet, the two systems are not interchangeable.

Comfort

Zenbivy Bed

Outdoor Empire Score: 5/5

The Zenbivy Bed is by far the most comfortable sleep system that I have used while backpacking. I found it easy to sleep on my side and toss and turn without getting tangled in the bed as advertised.

As I mentioned, Zenbivy uses a material called 50d Polyester Pongee.

I don’t know anything about the technical aspects of the material, but I can say that it is exceptionally comfortable against the skin. It feels more like a comfy t-shirt than the plasticky feel of past sleeping bags. I would buy sheets for my home bed made out of this stuff. I really, really like it.

Light Bed

Outdoor Empire Score:  4/5

The Light Bed is also comfortable, just not as comfortable as the Zenbivy Bed. I could easily sleep on my side and toss and turn to my heart’s content. I find this system to still be more comfortable than the systems I have used in the past.

The big difference in comfort between the two systems comes from the fact that the Light Bed does not use the Pongee material on either the quilt or the sheet. This leaves nylon against the skin and while not uncomfortable, it doesn’t feel as nice as the Zenbivy.

Ease of Use (Fiddle Factor)

Zenbivy Bed

Outdoor Empire Score: 4.5/5

While not as easy as slipping into a sleeping bag or throwing a quilt over you, the Zenbivy is quite easy to set up and use. It only takes a second to put the sheet over the mattress. The zippers work well and are easy to figure out.

Not much fiddling around with gear here and that makes me happy.

Light Bed

Outdoor Empire Score: 3.5/5

The Light Bed had significantly more fiddle to it. The hook and loops could be annoying and hard to use in low light or in the middle of the night when I wasn’t thinking as clearly. It wasn’t as intuitive as the Zenbivy was.

On the other hand, it wasn’t so annoying that I would give up. I think it is worth the extra hassle for trips that are more about hiking than camping.

Weight vs Warmth

The Zenbivy and the Light Bed we used have a limit rating of 25 degrees and a comfort rating of 35 F.

What does that mean? I’m not sure, but in my experience, I was comfortable down to about 40 degrees. I do tend to sleep a little cold so there is that.

Zenbivy does make different configurations with different temperature ratings that might give you more range. Check out our table below for our recommendations:

Zenbivy does say that to get the most warmth out of their sleep systems, they recommend a sleeping pad mattress with an R rating of at least 5+ or greater, such as the Zenbivy Light Mattress or Flex Mattress.

To compare the different systems as equally as I can, I will divide the weight in ounces by the lowest rating given. In this case, I will use the 25-degree rating.

Zenbivy Bed

Outdoor Empire Score: 3.5/5

The Zenbivy Bed weighs in at 45.4 ounces, as weighed on our scales, for the quilt and sheet. That is not the best weight-to-warmth ratio but it is also not the worst. That is a ratio of 1.8 ounces for every degree of warmth.

Light Bed

Outdoor Empire Score: 4/5

The Light Bed weighs 33 ounces on our scale at home. That equals 1.32 ounces for every degree of warmth.

The Zenbivy Bed sheet weighs 14.1 ounces and the light sheet weighs 8.4 ounces and there is nothing to say that you have to take the sheet if you want to lose the weight. Without the sheet, the quilt acts like a regular backpacking quilt, but it will not be as warm and comfy as the complete system.

I also noticed on Zenbivy’s website that they are offering a new Fast Sheet that only covers half the mattress and does not have any down in the hood. This shaves 5 ounces off the current sheet but can only be used with the light quilt.

I plan on ordering one of these as soon as my wife lets me. It seems like a great compromise between weight savings and usability and I am excited to try it out.

A Normal Night with Zenbivy

Out in the woods, there is no A/C or heat so generally as the night goes on, it gets colder. I know that is common sense but one of the things that I like about Zenbivy’s sleep system is that they are made to adjust through the night.

This is how a normal night with the Zenbivy works for me:

I usually start the night with the sheet on and the quilt thrown over my top. With the original bivy, I might have it flat or the footbed already zipped up, depending on how warm it is. With the Light Bed, I usually just leave the footbed in place because I don’t want to fiddle with the hook and loop system during the middle of the night.

I also start with the pillow inside the hood but my head on the outside.

As the night goes on and it gets colder, I will attach one side of the quilt to the sheet, then the other later on as it gets colder.

Next, I will pull the top draw sting tight to seal out cold air from the top.

Last, I will put my head inside the hood. I did not think this would work as well as it does but I like it.

Accessories and Complete Bed Bundles

Zenbivy has also come out with several accessories for their sleep systems. We were able to try out the Complete Bed Bundles, which included not only the sheets and quilts but also mattresses, pillows, and stuff sacks. This is not meant to be an in-depth review of each, just my initial impressions of them.

Zenbivy Flex Mattress vs. Light Mattress

There are, once again, two mattresses to choose from: a comfortable mattress and a light one. It should be pointed out one more time that you don’t have to use the sheet and quilt on Zenbivy mattresses. I have used them on several other mattresses and they work just fine.

The first is the Flex Mattress. It is their comfort mattress and weighs 2 pounds 10 ounces as measured on our scale. It has a foam center that allows a certain amount of self-inflation if the valve is left open.

The next is the Light Mattress. It weighs in at 1 pound 8.5 ounces as measured on our scale. It is filled with 180 grams of synthetic insulation—no self-inflation for this mattress. The synthetic insulation is not noisy to sleep on like the Therm-A-Rest NeoAir pads.

Both have an R-value of 5 and use the same valve system, but more on that in a minute.

I found both mattresses to be warm and comfortable, but heavier and bulkier than alternatives. I currently use the Nemo Tensor for lightweight backpacking trips. It weighs in at 15 ounces, has an R-value of 4.2 (which has been warm enough for me), and packs much smaller.

It should be noted that after fewer than 10 nights of use, the Flex Mattress we got no longer held air. Not sure if it’s a defect or if it just got a small hole somewhere, but either way, it was disappointing.

While I would consider the Light Mattress a nice option for regular use, the Flex Mattress is nothing special.

For trips where I want a little more luxury, I have been using the Therm-A-Rest Prolite Apex. It weighs 1 pound 6 ounces and is once again less bulky. It does have a lower R-value at 3.8.

Valves

The valves of both mattresses are the same and did give me some problems during testing. There are two valves stacked on top of each other. When opened, the top valve is one-way, meaning you can blow air in without any air coming out.

Convenient for airing up the mattress without losing precious air volume when you go to take another breath. It also had a press valve to release small amounts of air to dial in comfort.

The bottom valve completely opens up the mattress so you can quickly deflate it for rolling in the morning. This valve works exceptionally well and, when open, air rushes out quickly. You don’t have to force air out of the valve while rolling it up. The air is just gone.

And that brings me to the problem. Several times, more than I should probably admit, I would reach to open the first valve to let a little bit of air out but accidentally open the second valve leaving the mattress flat on the ground in the middle of the night. This was, admittingly, user error, but easy to do so be aware of which valve you are opening.

Mattress/Inflation Bag

Included with the mattress is a waterproof storage bag that doubles as an inflation bag. The inflation bag works. I was able to inflate the Flex Mattress with about 4-5 inflation bag fill-ups and the Light Mattress with 10-12.

If I bought the Light Mattress, I would probably use the bag just because it comes with it. But the Flex Mattress barely fits in the stuff sack and you’ll be crying out lots of expletives trying to get it back in when you pack up. For it, either use a different sack or no sack at all.

Stuff Sack and Compression Caps

Zenbivy sells waterproof stuff sacks that come in different sizes. The stuff sacks have a one-way valve at the bottom so that you can push all the air out of the sack. The one-way valve worked for me, except on several occasions it would be clogged by the quilt itself and I would have to reposition.

I kind of feel that the one-way valve is solving a problem that doesn’t exist. I’ve never had any problems pushing air out of regular stuff sacks in the past.

The compression caps are sold separately and are not attached to the stuff sack. They also work just fine, but I prefer my stuff sack and compression caps to be connected. That way, I don’t lose them. Though, there is a little Velcro loop you can use to attach the compression caps to the dry sack.

While they work well, I probably wouldn’t buy these accessories as I feel like I could find cheaper and lighter options elsewhere.

Pillow

I liked both pillows that Zenbivy makes. Even though one has a quilted top and the other is just nylon, I had a hard time telling the difference between the two during testing. This is probably because I put them under the hood and then mostly slept with my head on top of the hood.

The hood does a great job of holding the pillow in place, and I didn’t have to search for it in the middle of the night.

The pillows are built in two parts: an inner inflatable plastic part and an outer covering. You can remove the inner part from the outer part if you want. The pillow has a one-way valve similar to the mattress.

Final Thoughts on the Zenbivy Bed vs Light Bed

The Zenbivy Bed and Light Bed are not the lightest options on the market today, but they are very comfortable and allow the user to sleep in various positions. They can also be used in stages throughout the night to stay warm as the night goes on.

I would have no problem recommending either bed to my fellow side sleepers, toss and turn sleepers, or just those unsatisfied with traditional sleeping bags or standalone quilts.

That being said, the two systems are meant for two different styles of backpackers and they are not for everyone. If you are the kind of ultralight backpacker that weighs every piece of gear and cuts off the handle of your toothbrush to save half an ounce, then look elsewhere. This is not the sleep system for you.

View Zenbivy Bed on Zenbivy.com

View Light Bed on Zenbivy.com

View Complete Bed Bundles on Zenbivy.com

What Zenbivy System Should You Buy?

I have outlined below who should and should not buy each system.

Also, if you find yourself in between systems and trying to decide which one to buy, my advice would be to spend the extra money and get the light system. It will be more comfortable while carrying it because it is lighter and still plenty comfortable to sleep in.

Buy the Zenbivy Bed if you:

• Prioritize comfort over weight
• Don’t care or know what your base weight is
• Go on backpacking trips that include hiking to a base camp
• Hike around 5-7 miles per day

However, lightweight backpackers need not apply.

Buy the Light Bed if you:

• Are a lightweight backpacker
• Hike between 10-20 miles per day
• Care about your base weight, but still want functional gear
• Hike multiple days in a row

On the other hand, there are even more minimalistic alternatives out there for gram-counting ultralight backpackers whose only concern is the lowest possible base weight.

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